Aeslin vs Autumn knight

[SEV 217]

11 minutes ago, ooshawn said:

i'm US eastern standard time, and i'm comfortable with vassal, though not as much as most of these guys

This is not Faux, but I would like to see a Master beatdown competition (5 rounds), March madness single elimination style 😀.

[ooshawn 81]

I gotta be honest, that actually does sound kinda quick and fun 

[Corwin 69]

20 minutes ago, SEV said:

This is not Faux, but I would like to see a Master beatdown competition (5 rounds), March madness single elimination style 😀.

In the old days when we could all hang out in a store together the local Henchman ran a March madness event each year. A $5 buy in, winner gets the pot.

[Maniacal_cackle 1,510]

On the topic of why Aeslin, Into Thorns is a crazy good trigger.

Anything that let's you reposition enemy models can win games. It can secure kills safely, it can deny points, etc.

[Maniacal_cackle 1,510]

Our local Titania player has dragged models around the table with it.

It is pretty brutal when used multiple times on a single model.

[ooshawn 81]

yeah , but you gotta also understand i'm coming from the PoV of a complete fae crew where every single model has that Crow trigger. The value of the melee attack goes up substantially if that goes off, but if it doesn't , it's at best okayish. The whole crew fights for those crows

[Maniacal_cackle 1,510]

2 minutes ago, ooshawn said:

yeah , but you gotta also understand i'm coming from the PoV of a complete fae crew where every single model has that Crow trigger. The value of the melee attack goes up substantially if that goes off, but if it doesn't , it's at best okayish. The whole crew fights for those crows

Henchmen can stone for suits. Not to mention she can use her ranged ability even when engaged, which has it built in.

I'm not sure I've ever seen Aeslin use her melee attack. It is probably a secondary consideration xD

There should rarely be a situation where you want the trigger and can't get it with Aeslin.

Not having to fight for high crows is exactly one of the reasons she appeals.

[ooshawn 81]

8ss for 2x min 3 shots, IF there is a marker there. I'd just have to see it I guess, someone will have to play her vs me. A rou. has a teleport, condition removal, h2w, flay with 6 severe damage. just seems better than aeslin for the points

[Alcathous 146]

5 hours ago, ooshawn said:

8ss for 2x min 3 shots, IF there is a marker there. I'd just have to see it I guess, someone will have to play her vs me. A rou. has a teleport, condition removal, h2w, flay with 6 severe damage. just seems better than aeslin for the points

The fact that Aeslin can sit 8" off center on effect the conflict is huge. Aside from min 3, you're setting up for big plays for another model with the injured. Aeslin isn't and solo champion, but she is an aggresive support model that wins games for those who learn how to use her. Bonus points for secret scheming with Study and Draw Out Secrets.

Rougs have to be in melee to get their min 2 attack off. It's only min 3 if you have the card. I don't often stone to keep Aeslin alive, but also I don't often have to because she's a ranged model that should always have a front line to support her. Rougaru are great runner hunters and late game marauders, but DF 4 is enough of a downside that they cannot create the anvil that Aeslin + tank can be.
 

[Hawkoon 252]

4 hours ago, Alcathous said:

The fact that Aeslin can sit 8" off center on effect the conflict is huge. Aside from min 3, you're setting up for big plays for another model with the injured. Aeslin isn't and solo champion, but she is an aggresive support model that wins games for those who learn how to use her. Bonus points for secret scheming with Study and Draw Out Secrets.

Rougs have to be in melee to get their min 2 attack off. It's only min 3 if you have the card. I don't often stone to keep Aeslin alive, but also I don't often have to because she's a ranged model that should always have a front line to support her. Rougaru are great runner hunters and late game marauders, but DF 4 is enough of a downside that they cannot create the anvil that Aeslin + tank can be.
 

I think you're completly right here. I think a lot of the theaoryfaux going on spends way too much time discussing killing, when we should discuss scoring. The fact that Aeslin can use a SS for draw out secrets to place a potentially scoring maker is often overlooked, and something Neverborn has very few other options for doing reliably.

[katadder 674]

she is probably my 2nd most played master after schill, and certainly most played in NVB and I always take aeslin. She has study as well as the trigger for draw out secrets. 

[Azahul 131]

Likewise, I don't think I've ever seen Aeslin attack a model that wasn't within 2" of Underbrush. When the entire crew can make them and Titania can move them and a bunch start where the combat is going to be anyway it's pretty trivial. Anywhere Aeslin wants to shoot is basically guaranteed to have a marker.

 

In addition to how good she is at scoring, it's worth noting that she applies Injured on an AOE attack that moves its target. She can get Injured onto so many important targets so easily. First shot to move the initial target, second to get the injured onto another 1-2 models that might set up another model for an easier kill.

 

Titania and Aeslin both benefit enormously from having their min three attacks on range 8 instead of melee like most beaters. That means any model that wants to retaliate needs to spend one, maybe two AP (due to the quantity of Severe terrain and/or the opponent being staggered) closing the gap, greatly improving their durability. They're great pieces.

[ooshawn 81]

someone show me their strats, i want to learn the ways...teach meeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Cats Laughing 188]

Side note, we played a Keyword escalation league when M3E came out and I took the Fae keyword which meant Aeslin was my Henchman leader for the first game. 3 AP on Aeslin feels sooooo much better than just 2. Being able to move and then Decay twice was quite nice.

 

Also as others have noted, Titania's ranged (no gun) attack is often better than the melee attack, and the Into Thorns trigger moving opponents around into or out of melee as needed can be quite useful control on top of the extra damage. 

[ooshawn 81]

i want a escalation league..... so badly. with injuries , upgrades, equipment etc

[Adran 4,509]

7 hours ago, ooshawn said:

i want a escalation league..... so badly. with injuries , upgrades, equipment etc

There are people that have adapted the M2 set to use in M3. 

From memory the largest choice is do you use the updated M3 ability effects or the M2 abilities as written on the card. I don't think either breaks the game, its probably more what works best for your players. (If they are new to M3, they might not know the M3 shove aside rules for example because they don't own an M3 shove aside model )