Popular Post Kyle Posted January 7, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 Hey Wyrdos, We’re thrilled to announce that on Wednesday, January 16th, we will be launching an OPEN BETA for Malifaux Third Edition! Many of you have gone through the grueling process of testing the game to get its rules and models to this point, and we couldn’t possibly thank you enough for that. Rest assured that the vast majority of that work will remain intact. The intent of the Open Beta is to get Malifaux Third Edition from where it is (a great spot) and bring it up one more level (to a fantastic spot). This means that our focus will be on polish. Clarity, grammar, theme, and fine tuning numbers are our targets this time around. There are still a few crews and models that need some final tweaks, so if you have more feedback, we’re still listening. We want to hear your thoughts on your favorite (and least favorite) characters before we officially launch Third Edition. So, for those who have been rigorously playtesting our game, now is your chance to share your thoughts and enthusiasm with the rest of the community. Those NDAs that you signed? Consider them lifted. Let us know where you think M3E stands and what you think it’ll take to bring it across the finish line. Henchmen, keep a close eye on the super-secret Henchmen forum in regards to running M3E events and tournaments. We’ll have some special announcements for you folks in the next few days. That’s it from us! We’ve got to hunker down and iron out those wrinkles before next Wednesday. We’ll have more info for you at that time. See you then! 17 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWHSD Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 It would be great if folks that were in the beta could keep their opinions on what they feel is wrong with the rules or specific models in check for a bit until everyone that wasn't in the beta has had a chance to look at M3E and form their own initial opinions. 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athalos_gallant Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 It will be great to get some public games in again! I've been quite looking forward to the open Beta of Malifaux! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetid Strumpet Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 Umm if Wyrd wanted that they should have said so and not lifted the NDAs. They never lifted any of them before, even once the stuff tested released. I’m exremly positive on Wyrd for taking this step. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnomezilla Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 minute ago, athalos_gallant said: It will be great to get some public games in again! I've been quite looking forward to the open Beta of Malifaux! You weren’t playing M2E as the public face of Malifaux? 😢 (I’m glad to not have to mix rules sets any more. It was kind of a headache to remember to take the elevated terrain off the table for M2E rules.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWHSD Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 15 minutes ago, Fetid Strumpet said: Umm if Wyrd wanted that they should have said so and not lifted the NDAs. They never lifted any of them before, even once the stuff tested released. I’m exremly positive on Wyrd for taking this step. You're right. Wyrd's intention was probably for everyone that has been grinding the same few axes over on the beta forums for the past few months to start filling the general forums with stuff that is going to prejudice players that haven't even seen the M3E rules or models against certain mechanics and models. I don't know what I was thinking. Having a bunch of fresh players start off with opinions they picked up on the forum is probably way more useful than giving them a few days to actually form an opinion of their own. Players from the the closed beta should feel free to piss and moan about whatever it was that is ruining M3E for them starting today instead of waiting until January 19th or 20th to start in on it. 8 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemgath Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 54 minutes ago, Kyle said: (a great spot) and bring it up one more level (to a fantastic spot). After near 4 month of hard testing on M3e... it's the coolest words i read since long time ! Thank's Wyrd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kyle Posted January 7, 2019 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 We are taking steps in reducing an echo chamber effect in the open beta. In addition to those measures, there will be a forum designated to the open beta for general M3E discussion. Our intent is not to create a bias for new M3E players, but to instead allow closed beta testers to run M3E events and discuss what they're excited about in the next edition. We'll have more information about how we'll be receiving feedback come next Wednesday. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddywhack Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 Honestly I am surprised about an Open Beta. I'm glad, don't get me wrong, but surprised. An open beta of this size is sure to have a large noise to signal ratio. I applaud Wyrd for taking it on and I do think it will help make the game as good as it can be. There is a lot of good stuff in 3rd Ed and there are just a few more wrinkles to iron out to make it great. It will be nice to be able to play more openly now as well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetid Strumpet Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 38 minutes ago, WWHSD said: You're right. Wyrd's intention was probably for everyone that has been grinding the same few axes over on the beta forums for the past few months to start filling the general forums with stuff that is going to prejudice players that haven't even seen the M3E rules or models against certain mechanics and models. I don't know what I was thinking. Having a bunch of fresh players start off with opinions they picked up on the forum is probably way more useful than giving them a few days to actually form an opinion of their own. Players from the the closed beta should feel free to piss and moan about whatever it was that is ruining M3E for them starting today instead of waiting until January 19th or 20th to start in on it. If you’re concerned that people’s opinions can be swayed that easily you must not have confidence in the new system. Couldn’t the reverse also be argued as well, that those who are positive on the new system could try to get players to overlook glaring flaws that will hurt the viability of the game long term because they personally were happy with where it was? Wyrd has to want both opinions out there or they could have done what they did before and just kept the NDA in force after the open went live. They didn’t and whatever the outcome for my enjoyment of the game personally I think that is a very good decision. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slobber Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 Any chance for a download for the current rule set? Or should I pester people who were bound by the NDA until just now? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWHSD Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 50 minutes ago, Fetid Strumpet said: If you’re concerned that people’s opinions can be swayed that easily you must not have confidence in the new system. Couldn’t the reverse also be argued as well, that those who are positive on the new system could try to get players to overlook glaring flaws that will hurt the viability of the game long term because they personally were happy with where it was? Wyrd has to want both opinions out there or they could have done what they did before and just kept the NDA in force after the open went live. They didn’t and whatever the outcome for my enjoyment of the game personally I think that is a very good decision. I like the new system but I've also been around games and their related forums long enough to know that when players read that "Mechanic X is overpowered" or "Master Y is bad" before they have had a chance to form their own opinions backed by their own experiences, it becomes a fact that needs to be dispelled. I don't see how not crapping on a new beta player's chance to have a fresh look at M3E is anything but a good thing. People that don't have months of closed beta baggage should see everything with a different perspective than those of us that do. Why you'd want to poison that by having closed beta players posting their multi page rants on what they think is wrong with a mechanic, module, or rule more than a week before players that weren't in the closed beta have a chance to even read the rules is beyond me. Let open beta players have their chance see the new stuff and explore it without having to bring in other peoples' baggage. Too much specific positive feedback is just as bad. If the goal is to catch as much as possible before M3E is released, fresh eyes are better. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetid Strumpet Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 And again if Wyrd wanted that there was a simple way they could have shown they agreed with you, by enforcing the NDA instead of releasing it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santaclaws01 Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Fetid Strumpet said: If you’re concerned that people’s opinions can be swayed that easily you must not have confidence in the new system. Have you never seen a gaming forum before? People bandwagon calling stuff OP/UP all the time regardless of how strong it actually is. 1 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetid Strumpet Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 Yes I have and were you swayed? My point is that no discussion could take place if what you are saying is true. Any position from anyone could sway someone else’s opinion. I have more faith in people who actually want to do testing that they’ll actually do what they want instead of just letting an Internet forum brainwash them. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWHSD Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 Just now, Fetid Strumpet said: And again if Wyrd wanted that there was a simple way they could have shown they agreed with you, by enforcing the NDA instead of releasing it. Kyle didn't echo what I wrote exactly but it does seem like Wyrd's intent wasn't to have closed beta testers spend the next 9 days trying indoctrinate the pool of open beta players into their way of thinking. Even if Wyrd doesn't care one way or there other, I think not getting into deep discussions about the contents of the beta until people have had a chance to see it for themselves is just the considerate thing to do, 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWHSD Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, Fetid Strumpet said: Yes I have and were you swayed? My point is that no discussion could take place if what you are saying is true. Any position from anyone could sway someone else’s opinion. I have more faith in people who actually want to do testing that they’ll actually do what they want instead of just letting an Internet forum brainwash them. Most of the people that will be in the open beta don't want to test. They just want to play M3E. That was true of a decent number of folks that participated in the closed beta. There's a ton of "group think" and "common knowledge" on game forums. I'd like to think that I'm too smart for that but I know I fall victim to it just like everyone else. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primate Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 Hopefully this just results in a "launch" where people have a more critical eye towards certain things than if it was a full launch. Echo chambers are for sure a thing but i think there's also something to be said for the advantage of many voices working together. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santaclaws01 Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 28 minutes ago, Fetid Strumpet said: Yes I have and were you swayed? My point is that no discussion could take place if what you are saying is true. Any position from anyone could sway someone else’s opinion. I have more faith in people who actually want to do testing that they’ll actually do what they want instead of just letting an Internet forum brainwash them. No, all that's being asked is some discretion until people that weren't in the closed beta can at least look at it themselves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saduhem Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 On the other hand, sharing a lot of the information gained through the closed Beta can accelerate the process in what seems to be an already tight window of time. Saying "Try using the concentrate action or bringing models with puncture" when someone says "The new incorporeal is OP" can help the new players play the system instead of fighting against it. Explaining that you can charge without a target, on its own, is something that's going to solve a lot of future head scratching, especially against Molly. It's a game that takes 3+ hours to play, and it takes 2 people to play. Considering travel, set-up, and arranging, it costs people a chunk of their free time to test the game. Sure, you can have fun, although it's not as entertaining as just enjoying the game. Taking notes and writing battle reports adds more time investment to the playtesting process. I think using already acquired knowledge as a catalyst can save time and frustration to a lot of people. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWHSD Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 12 minutes ago, Saduhem said: On the other hand, sharing a lot of the information gained through the closed Beta can accelerate the process in what seems to be an already tight window of time. Saying "Try using the concentrate action or bringing models with puncture" when someone says "The new incorporeal is OP" can help the new players play the system instead of fighting against it. It's a game that takes 3+ hours to play, and it takes 2 people to play the game. I think using already acquired knowledge as a catalyst can save time and frustration to a lot of people. That’s true. It’s also not at all what I was talking about. In your example you are a player with experience reacting to something new player has encountered or discovered. That’s not the same as someone that has been in the closed beta making posts with their personal “This is what needs to be fixed” lists on AWP or theses forums a week before open beta players even get a chance to look through the content. I’m not asking closed beta players to sit back and stay silent on the open beta forums. I’d just like open beta players to be allowed a chance to look at the content with a mostly open mind. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saduhem Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, WWHSD said: That’s true. It’s also not at all what I was talking about. In your example you are a player with experience reacting to something new player has encountered or discovered. That’s not the same as someone that has been in the closed beta making posts with their personal “This is what needs to be fixed” lists on AWP or theses forums before open beta players even get a chance to look through the content. I’m not asking closed beta players to sit back and stay silent on the open beta forums just that open beta players should be allowed a chance to look at the content with a mostly open mind. I get it. I don't think that @Fetid Strumpet meant that the closed Beta players should say "Nerf Master X" as their introduction to the system. But I, personally, have logged over 20 games and I would like to be able to say "Hey guys, this is a situation that is making the game less enjoyable for me. Can we try it out?" or "No matter what I do, these models don't seem to be worth their cost when I play them. Please let me know if you have better luck", or "I personally miss idiosyncratic conditions on fewer models. Now we have fewer conditions on a lot more models. Do you think it speeds up the game this way?". I'd like a pleasant system that can enthrall as many players as possible without losing the Malifaux essence. If part of the community is really hating something, I think that pointing a batch of new testers towards it can help understand what part of it is creating the issue. I'm probably too naive, but I like to believe that players would be able to dismiss unreasonable complaints and unjustified requests for "nerfs" after experiencing the system. I also think that the more people complain about things (justified or not) the more attention is given to them, leading to the dismissals of myths or the fixing of true issues. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWHSD Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 31 minutes ago, Saduhem said: I get it. I don't think that @Fetid Strumpet meant that the closed Beta players should say "Nerf Master X" as their introduction to the system. But I, personally, have logged over 20 games and I would like to be able to say "Hey guys, this is a situation that is making the game less enjoyable for me. Can we try it out?" or "No matter what I do, these models don't seem to be worth their cost when I play them. Please let me know if you have better luck", or "I personally miss idiosyncratic conditions on fewer models. Now we have fewer conditions on a lot more models. Do you think it speeds up the game this way?". I'd like a pleasant system that can enthrall as many players as possible without losing the Malifaux essence. If part of the community is really hating something, I think that pointing a batch of new testers towards it can help understand what part of it is creating the issue. I'm probably too naive, but I like to believe that players would be able to dismiss unreasonable complaints and unjustified requests for "nerfs" after experiencing the system. I also think that the more people complain about things (justified or not) the more attention is given to them, leading to the dismissals of myths or the fixing of true issues. I think that those are legit conversations that should happen over on the open beta forums once the new folks have had a chance to actually be part of the discussion and not just have our opinions of M3E coloring their initial experiences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcMaster Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 1 minute ago, WWHSD said: I think that those are legit conversations that should happen over on the open beta forums once the new folks have had a chance to actually be part of the discussion and not just have our opinions of M3E coloring their initial experiences. Out of curiosity do you think there are particular things that people in the current beta are saying are OP? I'm just asking as someone who was unable to devote as much time as they would have liked on keeping track of those conversations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artiee Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 I like they are lifting the beta. It allows the beta testers in the discussion. When someone states something would work better that was already tested in the beta, they can discuss why it didn’t work. I welcome it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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