Popular Post Nathan Caroland Posted March 21, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 15 minutes ago, edopersichetti said: I hear ya. Metal minis are a pain, IMHO they're even worse than the resin ones, or that cheap PVC that Aionus was released in. It looks like Wyrd has been experimenting for a bit, I guess trying to cut costs, but unfortunately the hard plastic that they use is so good, that anything else would be a massive step back and very disappointing. When you set your standards high, it's hard to go back without letting down your community... Well, thank you, I think. :) It's not so much about cutting costs - though frankly if they were and we could keep quality, you certainly wouldn't hear me complain about it. Honestly, I have, will, and likely will continue to do so, experiment and check things out from time to time. Sometimes ya'll see the end product, other times it goes straight into the trash and we go 'well, that learned us something!'. Mostly, it allows us to move forward and learn as we try to bring together new product, projects as well as manufacturers (cause lets be honest, its a lot of work). Metal, we started with metal and were one of the first to move away from it to the plastic we see today. I'm VERY proud of that, but I don't forget our roots either. To this day I still hear people cry about why we left it, or ... well any number of things. And then there are the folks that go 'yay - plastic all the way'. Then someone reminds me of a gremlin ear or foot. :) As I said, this time about, I did it for a few reasons, one, cause I was a bit nostalgic to do so, two - because I wanted to have some fun around Easter, but I'm not interested in pilling it on with our other projects in the pipeline. We'll do things in metal from time to time I'm sure - but again - for me more than anything - was a bit of walk down memory lane. Resin, not something I normally go for as it takes a bit of work and the costs are rather high actually. That said, I do like the few things that we've done in resin and the experimenting that we did with that allowed for some interesting decisions on our end. Not something I'll do a lot of, but occasionally I'm sure. The Murder Xmas tree was a happy little result of that for instance. Aionis - I'm actually pretty proud of that one, and the tort and hare - as those pieces allowed us to see what changes or direction we could go on a few things. Some folks love, others hate, but at the end of the day, it allowed us to develop the plastic that we're using for The Other Side. I'm SERIOUSLY pumped about that and folks that have gotten ahold of it seem to be on board as well. Allows us to do a lot, less cuts, keep up with some dynamics, etc, etc. I can tell you right now if we didn't do those others, it wouldn't have led us to where we're at on those plastics right now. For anyone that wants to see the quality or feel it yourself, the new Alt Lazarus is made out of it. Why you might ask - we like the hard plastic! Stop messing with our goodies! Well yes, I'm happy with our plastic as well, but there are times where a dynamic piece, or undercuts, can cause a miniature to be cut into quite a bit of pieces. Hell - I see folks complain about that all the time. Alt Lazarus for instance in the hard plastic would have been over 40 pieces. I laugh long and hard when I saw that and said 'nooooo'. Thus the delay in him hitting the public, decided to try him out in the new plastic. New stuff - 17 pieces - which might sound like a lot, but they go together a dream, and cleanup - minimal. So yes, sometimes I do stuff just because I have a wild hair up my ass and decide to do so. Other times, I'm experimenting for reasons that y'all might not see for years out yet. 18 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dima_v Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 Quote exploitative female minis Oh well, sexist or whatever, female minis are one of the reasons I like Malifaux. Haven't heard any negative thoughts on those from my wife or a girl who regularly plays M2E in our community. Maybe I'm just on the other side of the ocean or something like that, lol 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gribble Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Nathan Caroland said: New stuff - 17 pieces - which might sound like a lot, but they go together a dream, and cleanup - minimal. I hesitate to be a dissenting voice - because normally I really love Wyrd minis and the quality of your work - but my Alt Laz has some pretty bad seams in large and not easy to clean places. Down the middle of a line of rivets for example. And the slightly rubbery material is making it a real pain to clean up. To the point I took it out of the bag, separated it from the sprue, cleaned 2-3 pieces, then got frustrated and put it all back in the bag... Maybe I just got a bad cast or something, but if you have any tips on how to clean him up quickly and easily I'm all ears. As it is, I'm trying to very gently carve the mold lines out, because scraping or filing doesn't seem to work at all. But that's a long process and I often worry that I'm making more of a mess than I'm cleaning up with this material. :( Or maybe I'm just too spoilt by the quality of your hard plastics and how easy they are to clean up... also entirely possible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Caroland Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 Hrmmm, well you might have gotten a bad one. The three I just pulled all are in good shape and go together with minimum fuss. Exacto knife took off anything that was a mold line with a little bit of patience. I will say this, clean it up (as in wash it, but you should do that regardless) before gluing and painting. Release agents, etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gribble Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, Nathan Caroland said: Hrmmm, well you might have gotten a bad one. The three I just pulled all are in good shape and go together with minimum fuss. Exacto knife took off anything that was a mold line with a little bit of patience. I will say this, clean it up (as in wash it, but you should do that regardless) before gluing and painting. Release agents, etc. Maybe I'm just not used to cutting seams off with a knife anymore, but I'm finding that really difficult with the slightly rubbery plastic. I'm going to have another go tonight, so maybe I'll have more luck. I will say that it does look like, once I get it cleaned up, it'll go together nicely. And thanks for being so interactive on here - it's really appreciated. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clement Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Nathan Caroland said: Alt Lazarus for instance in the hard plastic would have been over 40 pieces. I laugh long and hard when I saw that and said 'nooooo'. Thus the delay in him hitting the public, decided to try him out in the new plastic. New stuff - 17 pieces - which might sound like a lot, but they go together a dream, and cleanup - minimal. So yes, sometimes I do stuff just because I have a wild hair up my ass and decide to do so. Other times, I'm experimenting for reasons that y'all might not see for years out yet. For the record, thank you. Knowing almost nothing about the model development process, do you have a rendering of what the hypothetical nightmare runner/sprue/parts would look like? Or does it not make it that far in the development process... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Caroland Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 I do. That requires more work to dig out than I feel to be honest. I might some day when I come across it. :) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flinroz Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 Just to share my opinion, although I'm sure I'm in the minority, I'd preprefer a 40 piece model if it meant it was the regular material. It was a guilder model though, so I'm not really gonna complain. But if it was something I was purchasing I'd have probably steered clear. It is cool to see new (or new takes on old) processes being tested. Do I wish I could get the painter gremlin or alt Lazarus in regular plastic? Yeah, but it is what it is. The new plastic isn't for me, I'll hold off judgment on the metal until I see it in the wild. Until then I'll just take it as an opportunity to paint all this stuff I have on my shelve already haha 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamfanboy Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 On 3/20/2018 at 8:31 AM, Nathan Caroland said: Because I like getting my toes dipped back in the early days to play around. Because I could. Because I was curious again about metal and some other things I'm messing with. And because even more bluntly, I've got my plastic people up to their eyeballs between finishing up TOS, continuing with Malifaux, knocking out the new Wyrdscape - and I don't need to add on top of it at the moment. It was a bit nostalgic to go through the process of cuts and having metal in hand again - and the damn slivers of little metal everywhere. :) I just have one question: Iron Wind Metals for the manufacturer? Because I still remember almost a decade ago, opening up a metal Sue for my Deadlands collection, and smelling that unique pewter odor which belongs only to IWM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamfanboy Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 EDIT: I forgot that this forum software has the charming habit of not telling you when a post succeeds if you start it on an earlier page. Double post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwork_Fish Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 I’m a fan of Knight Models’ Batman Miniatures Game, which recently switched from metal to resin. The debate over that has been sort of déjà vu for me. Like some cosmic gaming constant that we’ll argue till the sun dies. Love Bob Ross and his happy little pig. On the subject of the Victorias, and this is in general ... who’s the Tank Girl fan in the office? I really want to get those alts, chop the head of the bunny-suited Ash Vic, and replace it with a kangaroo’s. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chou Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 If not even pepperoni pizza, the most perfect creation this universe has ever seen it's not complain-free, it was no surprise metal models would generate a bit of a discussion. As long as the quality it's the same as all other Wyrd's models, I'm fine with it. My only concern is that I couldn't refer any more to my Viks as glass cannons, because you know, metal and stuff... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonewall78 Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 On 3/21/2018 at 8:14 AM, Nathan Caroland said: Things are delayed, not that it's anyone's business, but due to the fact that customs has their arms elbow deep in the boat and containers which it carried. Wish it was otherwise, but those folks have a job to do and nothing we say is going to rush them. This is usually fair after the chinese newyear when things start rolling out again is it not? I would suspect it hit you guys even harder this year with the amount of stuff you are likely getting in with both Malifaux and TOS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonewall78 Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 Those who complain about the Viks models need to put down their fedoras and give up white knighting. Is one a bit short on clothing? sure but it is not like the rest of her is way out of proportion like some raging hero models. It is time to realize some women in the world are made to those proportions and wear those type of cloths of their own choice. Malifaux is great at having female models that come in all shapes and sizes, we should be praising Wyrd for covering all the bases (even the dead ones). 4 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaiuri Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 Personally, I think these alts are great. I don't really care if it's plastic, resin or metal - If it's a great sculpt I'll get it and deal with the quirks of putting it together. When is the list going up for the Easter 'sale'? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Loki- Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 56 minutes ago, Vaiuri said: When is the list going up for the Easter 'sale'? Duration of the Easter weekend. They don’t tell us exactly when so a rush of people don’t crash the server. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Git Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 2 hours ago, -Loki- said: Duration of the Easter weekend. They don’t tell us exactly when so a rush of people don’t crash the server. I'm pretty sure he meant the list of other special stuff for sale over Easter. Or was that mentioned somewhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaiuri Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 37 minutes ago, Da Git said: I'm pretty sure he meant the list of other special stuff for sale over Easter. Or was that mentioned somewhere? It was what I meant. Not sure if there is another list somewhere, I need to be patient! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the tick Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 Love the alt models! Personally not bothered by the material. If they come out looking like their renders I'm a huge fan! Thumbs up Wyrd! Also hoping the alt Bayou Gremlin makes it into the special editions available during this sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gribble Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 45 minutes ago, the tick said: Love the alt models! Personally not bothered by the material. If they come out looking like their renders I'm a huge fan! Thumbs up Wyrd! Judge for yourself. They look pretty good to me despite the material. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gribble Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 @Nathan Caroland while you're firing up the metal... kilns? I don't suppose you could also make a Puppet Wars Lucius or two... for old times sake? :D 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the tick Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 4 hours ago, gribble said: Judge for yourself. They look pretty good to me despite the material. NICE! Yeah those look great, thanks for sharing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saduhem Posted March 24, 2018 Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 9 hours ago, the tick said: NICE! Yeah those look great, thanks for sharing. Are those the metals?!?!! Never seen such quality!! That can't be pewter. Wyrd is going to put Corvus Belli out of business next :} The volume and roundness.. it's just... New I guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnternalVoid Posted March 25, 2018 Report Share Posted March 25, 2018 Quick question, if you have credit and use it, does that count towards the 100 bucks for the Alt? IE, if you get 100 bucks worth of stuff and have 10 bucks of credit you are still good. Just want to check and be 100% sure. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Caroland Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 If its credit from a contest or gift card or the like, or we passed out credit for a screw-up we had on our end by way of apology, then yeah it counts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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