Parker Barrows Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 8 hours ago, solkan said: Just wait until the debate concerning tire colors, and whether it's going to be more accurate to paint the tires black or grey because that's two different types of rubber. I genuinely want to know the answer to this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corrgon Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 1 hour ago, Nathan Caroland said: Music can be quite diverse around here to be honest - usually it's piping out of my office because .. well cause I can. Depending on the day and the mood, it can be anything coming through. Right now, listening to Cashman, Johnny Cash, White Stripes, Black Keys and John Lee Hooker. Yesterday it was Tool, Metallica and Cannibal Corpse. Yeah .. might have been in a bit of a mood yesterday ... I´d love to see some Metallica inspired models. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobayashi Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 @Nathan Caroland Hey, would it be possible to share some creative process how nightmare crews come to be. From secret meetings*, where everyone is allowed to pitch a goofy idea. To the first concept arts and electing sth., talking to the one responsible for casting going back and forth and shipping? I know this me asking much to go barebones and I can understand you guys at Wyrd denying that, but it would be interesting how these things work**. (* complete with hooded robes, praising the dark one if necessary) (** not as magical as your average joe believes, Wyrd workers do not poop out rainbow plastic that takes the shape of eveything required***) (*** well, we never know... ... we never know) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fauxreigner Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 Quite simply, some if the best models models I've ever seen from any company. Can't wait. As for pricing estimates... Having been a gw customer for years I'm still locked in that mindset, and would be pleased and impressed by any price tag below $120. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDeathTrout Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 2 hours ago, MunkyMuddFace said: I think they also had the forsight to remove the Wastrels since they were the Miss model last year. If Wastrels were in this set, I would skip it since I have two Miss Anne Thropes. But the addition of the currently-unreleased Mounted Guards flips this from a skip-it to must-have. Completely agree. Thanks to Wyrd for not put the wastrels in there. If it wasn't for the Mounted Guards I'd also be skipping this box. I'm sure whatever the price will be it will be more than I wanted to pay for a duplicate McCabe crew. Getting cool models and two Mounted Guards means I'll probably be able to rationalize buying it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Caroland Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 1 hour ago, Kobayashi said: @Nathan Caroland Hey, would it be possible to share some creative process how nightmare crews come to be. From secret meetings*, where everyone is allowed to pitch a goofy idea. To the first concept arts and electing sth., talking to the one responsible for casting going back and forth and shipping? I know this me asking much to go barebones and I can understand you guys at Wyrd denying that, but it would be interesting how these things work**. (* complete with hooded robes, praising the dark one if necessary) (** not as magical as your average joe believes, Wyrd workers do not poop out rainbow plastic that takes the shape of eveything required***) (*** well, we never know... ... we never know) We spent a month spitballing ideals back and forth, some interesting, some very boring, others too damn obvious, others I tossed out just for hating the idea. Nothing honestly too interesting here until someone came upon the idea of a biker group, or something of the like, and then it sort of grew from there. The fellas could probably tell you who first came up with the idea as I honestly have no clue any longer. After that, did some quick research, threw together some ideas, sketches, ideas from elsewhere, shot it off to an artist and did a bit of back and forth and there you go. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endalaus Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 4 minutes ago, Nathan Caroland said: We spent a month spitballing ideals back and forth, some interesting, some very boring, others too damn obvious, others I tossed out just for hating the idea. Nothing honestly too interesting here until someone came upon the idea of a biker group, or something of the like, and then it sort of grew from there. The fellas could probably tell you who first came up with the idea as I honestly have no clue any longer. After that, did some quick research, threw together some ideas, sketches, ideas from elsewhere, shot it off to an artist and did a bit of back and forth and there you go. A little of the ole' back and forth eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobayashi Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 9 minutes ago, Nathan Caroland said: We spent a month spitballing ideals back and forth, some interesting, some very boring, others too damn obvious, others I tossed out just for hating the idea. Nothing honestly too interesting here until someone came upon the idea of a biker group, or something of the like, and then it sort of grew from there. The fellas could probably tell you who first came up with the idea as I honestly have no clue any longer. After that, did some quick research, threw together some ideas, sketches, ideas from elsewhere, shot it off to an artist and did a bit of back and forth and there you go. Much obliged, seems gettng the right idea was the hardest thing of this whole undertaking and after that it's like Marry Poppins singing that just a spoonful of sugar helps and ... OFF. WYRD. GOES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solkan Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 4 hours ago, ABoyNamedSue said: I genuinely want to know the answer to this. It's nothing really elaborate, although from the pictures I've found it's more a matter of 'dark grey' vs. 'pitch black', and a little bit of "Is it more steam punk to use a more retro rubber formulation, or does it look okay to use a later rubber formulation with plenty of black carbon in it?" But I suppose what it comes down to is: - Raw latex from the plant is white. - You end up with various shades of dark grey when you add sulfur and vulcanize the rubber. - You end up with the "modern black" tire when you add carbon and other things to the rubber mix. One of the available videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNRDEAWtWxY The really fascinating stuff (even is some of it is in the "This happened less than a hundred years before I was born, why am I learning about it now?" is the history of rubber production from around 1900 to 1945, and the rubber plantations. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAlAyQz5vVQ (Links instead of the fancy previews because it's a little bit off topic and I can't figure out how to do spoilers at the moment. ) 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancater Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 From this we know that Solkan either has some sort of career interest in the textile, rubber, polymer industry or that they have a truly disturbing rubber fetish and to much time on their hands. Honestly though, Malifaux cannot complain about a lack of intellectual input on the boards, modelling/sculpt debates with historical reference and I now can surprise people at trivia nights. It is worth noting again that this is a game with various cyborgs and automatons, all a degree of technology not available.. well currently, let alone in the 19th century. Also I imagine that both cyborg and robot creation would likely involve utilising rubber or similar polymer compounds for tubing, seals and other such construction points, I certainly imagine so anyway. Also my guess is Sybelle has access to certain essential rubber items. Yeah I went there! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagingRodian Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 Beautiful renders but I have to agree that they completely do not fit into the setting, even more so than the Crossroads Seven. I will admit, I was really not a fan of Wyrds earlier plastics but they seem to be getting better over time. I do wish that they still credited the sculptors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason13 Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 20 hours ago, MrDeathTrout said: Completely agree. Thanks to Wyrd for not put the wastrels in there. If it wasn't for the Mounted Guards I'd also be skipping this box. I'm sure whatever the price will be it will be more than I wanted to pay for a duplicate McCabe crew. Getting cool models and two Mounted Guards means I'll probably be able to rationalize buying it. I'm on the opposite side of the fence on this. While I love the input of mounted guards as dislike horses, I don't want to have to buy the McCabe set just to get the wastrals. Miss wastral was awesome, but her variations are too similar to justify fielding her multiple times IMO. Any chance wyrd will put out wastrals as a separate boxes set like the witchlings? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDeathTrout Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 41 minutes ago, Jason13 said: I'm on the opposite side of the fence on this. While I love the input of mounted guards as dislike horses, I don't want to have to buy the McCabe set just to get the wastrals. Miss wastral was awesome, but her variations are too similar to justify fielding her multiple times IMO. Any chance wyrd will put out wastrals as a separate boxes set like the witchlings? I agree that I hope the Wastrels are made available separately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WyrdMatt Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 1 hour ago, MrDeathTrout said: I agree that I hope the Wastrels are made available separately. I have asked this question before. The issue is that the wastrels are scattered throughout the sprue and cant be separated. They will have to be remodeled to get its own box and I bet that is not worth doing as they are not the best models in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durza Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 58 minutes ago, WyrdMatt said: I have asked this question before. The issue is that the wastrels are scattered throughout the sprue and cant be separated. They will have to be remodeled to get its own box and I bet that is not worth doing as they are not the best models in the world. They did it with the Ashigaru. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDeathTrout Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 1 hour ago, WyrdMatt said: I have asked this question before. The issue is that the wastrels are scattered throughout the sprue and cant be separated. They will have to be remodeled to get its own box and I bet that is not worth doing as they are not the best models in the world. Probably won't happen then. That's the issue with the early plastics all the parts are scattered so a separate box is not possible. I know Misaki has the same issue, and I think Lynch does as well. At least they have the alt Wastrel with multiple poses limited as they may be it it is more poses than most models. P.S. Please don't take this a criticism of how Wyrd packages their models. Wyrd is not perfect, but they do a pretty good job pleasing as many people as possible. I really appreciate all the effort they put into the Alt models. Even though boxes like the Dark Carnival and Wild Ones (I'm guessing) have pretty steep price tags compared to their standard versions I pretty sure Wyrd's profit margin is slim to none on these sets. Wyrd does benefit from just having cool things out there to build interest in the hobby, but my guess is they do it mostly because they like to do cool things and make cool models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnomezilla Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 7 minutes ago, Durza said: They did it with the Ashigaru. Ashigaru can be summoned. Summons get separate boxes. 19 hours ago, dancater said: It is worth noting again that this is a game with various cyborgs and automatons, all a degree of technology not available.. well currently, let alone in the 19th century. Also I imagine that both cyborg and robot creation would likely involve utilising rubber or similar polymer compounds for tubing, seals and other such construction points, I certainly imagine so anyway. Also my guess is Sybelle has access to certain essential rubber items. Yeah I went there! You can get partway there with rigid pipes and leather flexible joints instead of wholly flexible tubes. Still, given the pressures needed to (say) power the guardian's arms to lift its sword and shield, I'd be happier if those large diameter tubes had a bit of rubber to them. As regards Madame Sybelle...everyone's gone there. Stupid alluring rotten belles. 20 hours ago, solkan said: But I suppose what it comes down to is: - Raw latex from the plant is white. - You end up with various shades of dark grey when you add sulfur and vulcanize the rubber. - You end up with the "modern black" tire when you add carbon and other things to the rubber mix. Ooo, is that why it's so stinkin' difficult to find non-black rubber products these days? Some of those old mint green or white or pink ones from the '50s could really use replacements but they're only available in black! You can't put a black belt or bobbin winder tire on a cool pink vintage sewing machine, it totally ruins the look! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solkan Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 49 minutes ago, Gnomezilla said: Ooo, is that why it's so stinkin' difficult to find non-black rubber products these days? Some of those old mint green or white or pink ones from the '50s could really use replacements but they're only available in black! You can't put a black belt or bobbin winder tire on a cool pink vintage sewing machine, it totally ruins the look! Why would there be more than one type of rubber, plastic or resin for different uses? Don't you want your rubber gloves to have the same durability and flexibility characteristics as your tires? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason13 Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 3 hours ago, WyrdMatt said: I have asked this question before. The issue is that the wastrels are scattered throughout the sprue and cant be separated. They will have to be remodeled to get its own box and I bet that is not worth doing as they are not the best models in the world. Not the best models? What are you taking about? They look so cool! The 3 male wastrels with the alt. miss wastrel looks great on the table top IMO. Or are you referring to strategy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santaclaws01 Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 4 hours ago, Gnomezilla said: Ashigaru can be summoned. Summons get separate boxes. Alps don't, and they don't even have the problem of being scattered throughout the sprue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomjoad Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 1 hour ago, santaclaws01 said: Alps don't, and they don't even have the problem of being scattered throughout the sprue. The only models that can summon alps already come in that box, though. Toshiro can use ashigaru separate of Yan Lo, so they earn a separate release. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yipiyip Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 Forgive a new fan the possibly stupid question, but how much did the previous nightmare boxes run? I can't seem to find it over google, and I'd like to know whether or not saving for this one is even valid for me, as I'd only have two checks to do it on. It'd be a shame, though, if it turned out not so feasible. I've mainly been grabbing Guild models, and I was staying away from McCabe because of the looks, but now... I would reaaaally like those mounted guard alts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowopal Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 18 minutes ago, Zachary.frosty@gmail.com said: Forgive a new fan the possibly stupid question, but how much did the previous nightmare boxes run? I can't seem to find it over google, and I'd like to know whether or not saving for this one is even valid for me, as I'd only have two checks to do it on. It'd be a shame, though, if it turned out not so feasible. I've mainly been grabbing Guild models, and I was staying away from McCabe because of the looks, but now... I would reaaaally like those mounted guard alts! Last year's was $90. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yipiyip Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 Just now, Shadowopal said: Last year's was $90. Thanks, that's totally doable even if it were just for the mounted guards, not to mention that alternate sidir... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengt Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 Nightmare Tara was $80 at last years Black Friday sale. The box mockup for The Wild Ones is thicker than normal crewboxes though, indicating more/larger sprues. That's mainly why people are worried about the cost I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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