Azahul Posted August 17, 2021 Report Share Posted August 17, 2021 Oh, if that's the case it substantially improves my initial lukewarm feelings towards Iron Heart... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniacal_cackle Posted August 17, 2021 Report Share Posted August 17, 2021 3 hours ago, PiersonsMuppeteer said: Soldnerkapitan just says "Attack Action" and not "Attack Action duels". Wouldn't all negatives also apply to the Attack Action's damage flip as well? Seems a bit powerful, but I don't see a reason as to why it would be limited to only the duels since the damage flip is part of an Attack Action and the effects mentioned above do explicitly state they affect the duel only. From memory, there's a lot of existing stuff in the game that refers to modifiers for attack actions and just means for the duel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thatguy Posted August 17, 2021 Report Share Posted August 17, 2021 Yeah. I think successful attack actions generate damage duels. Things that effect both usually spell it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiersonsMuppeteer Posted August 17, 2021 Report Share Posted August 17, 2021 5 minutes ago, Thatguy said: Yeah. I think successful attack actions generate damage duels. Things that effect both usually spell it out. Those effects that spell out both, like flicker and focused, are used during a duel not an entire action (hence why it must specify damage flip). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
touchdown Posted August 17, 2021 Report Share Posted August 17, 2021 17 hours ago, Thatguy said: Yeah. Concealment too for Zipp or English crews. You'll probably use it mostly in Friendly Fire, but there are lots of edge cases. With scouts, friendly fire and concealment aren't usually much trouble for freikorps. Why I'm looking for another angle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thatguy Posted August 17, 2021 Report Share Posted August 17, 2021 3 hours ago, touchdown said: With scouts, friendly fire and concealment aren't usually much trouble for freikorps. Why I'm looking for another angle If the interpretation that VonSchill let's models ignore on damage, scouts are going to be even better. Being able to always cheat damage with is going to be nuts. New VonSchill has a 24" melee threat range. With From the Shadows and a 14" range you should bee able to absolutely murder some stuff turn one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admiralvorkraft Posted August 17, 2021 Report Share Posted August 17, 2021 44 minutes ago, Thatguy said: If the interpretation that VonSchill let's models ignore on damage, scouts are going to be even better. Being able to always cheat damage with is going to be nuts. New VonSchill has a 24" melee threat range. With From the Shadows and a 14" range you should bee able to absolutely murder some stuff turn one. I don't think it ignores negatives to damage. It does ignore things like "don't bite the hand" in honeypot or Intimidating Authority in Elite, as well as the negatives from Manipulative. So that's super good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiersonsMuppeteer Posted August 17, 2021 Report Share Posted August 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Thatguy said: If the interpretation that VonSchill let's models ignore on damage, scouts are going to be even better. Being able to always cheat damage with is going to be nuts. New VonSchill has a 24" melee threat range. With From the Shadows and a 14" range you should bee able to absolutely murder some stuff turn one. I’ve Got Your Back will be an important ability to consider when an opponent declares Von Schill. Strong if Soldnerkapitan affects only the duel, and near mandatory if it is all flips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thatguy Posted August 17, 2021 Report Share Posted August 17, 2021 1 hour ago, admiralvorkraft said: I don't think it ignores negatives to damage. It does ignore things like "don't bite the hand" in honeypot or Intimidating Authority in Elite, as well as the negatives from Manipulative. So that's super good. Yeah. I think that would take the ability fun strong to absurd.n I think I would want to see a faq ruling before I felt comfortable paying that way. Ignoring to damage flips is pretty huge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
touchdown Posted August 17, 2021 Report Share Posted August 17, 2021 my interpretation was it was just flips for the duel, not damage 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azahul Posted August 17, 2021 Report Share Posted August 17, 2021 Yeah looking at similar abilities in the game I can't imagine it could possibly apply to damage as well. Which is very fair, but does still leave me looking for something to like about Iron Heart... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trample Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 On 8/17/2021 at 6:23 PM, Azahul said: Yeah looking at similar abilities in the game I can't imagine it could possibly apply to damage as well. Which is very fair, but does still leave me looking for something to like about Iron Heart... There's plenty to like about Iron Heart. He isn't better than OG, but you should like (in this order): a) Foul Mouthed motivation - is really like a 3 AP action. It gives focused to Arik or Hannah probably, it heals them, and it attaches an upgrade (like rocket boots) from which you can immediately leap due to Instinctual (or charge with a + to damage which is the part of focused we love most). That's economy right there. b) Marker removal - it's becoming important c) Ruthless - great in certain matchups d) Heavy Claws - it's a 2" 3/4/6 that you're going to spend all of your high crows and several stones to get the adaptive armor trigger. It wouldn't be too crazy to see him with a few (maybe even all 5) upgrades attached in round 3. e) Pass Off - more economy by handing out those upgrades (and shielded) without burning AP He sure isn't the schemer OG is though. OG can score a lot of points by himself while Arik and Hannah are kicking ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniacal_cackle Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 Oh god, charge through + focus. You can get straights through hard to wound or soulstones. It is how I 2-shot people with cojo. Hannah should easily be able to guarantee max damage... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azahul Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 11 minutes ago, Maniacal_cackle said: Oh god, charge through + focus. You can get straights through hard to wound or soulstones. It is how I 2-shot people with cojo. Hannah should easily be able to guarantee max damage... Normal Schill already gives out Focus pretty easily. Focused charge through Hannah attacks aren't uncommon to begin with 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thatguy Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 13 hours ago, Trample said: Heavy Claws - it's a 2" 3/4/6 that you're going to spend all of your high crows and several stones to get the adaptive armor trigger. It wouldn't be too crazy to see him with a few (maybe even all 5) upgrades attached in round 3. Sweeping Strike is a pretty good trigger too. With leap and Bulldoze your going to have like 12" of model and terrain ignoring movement a turn. Pretty good for getting attacks on almost anything you opponent has left bunched up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thatguy Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 12 hours ago, Azahul said: Normal Schill already gives out Focus pretty easily. Focused charge through Hannah attacks aren't uncommon to begin with I know this too well. A Focused up Hannah has splattered my Brewmaster more than once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Git Posted August 28, 2021 Report Share Posted August 28, 2021 Something that Iron-heart (& OG Schtook & Lynch) have going for him is Seen It All to never get Stunned. I mean Kapitan Schill can do it with Shrug Off, but that costs him his Bonus action and a card, whereas Iron-Heart flat out ignores it. This is especially powerful considering quite a few of the new titles and models can really hand out Stunned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
touchdown Posted August 28, 2021 Report Share Posted August 28, 2021 If you have Yannick and the Metallurgist, does this combo work? Yannick does democratic elections, heals X freikorps models, then picks those same models to take 1 damage, which enchanted steel reduces to 0 leaving you with just heals? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebo Posted August 28, 2021 Report Share Posted August 28, 2021 It's a pulse, so it should work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesy Blue Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 ..... wow.... You can also use Arik's Kinetic Amplifier when he takes damage from Democrat Election to draw a card and gain Focused. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azahul Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 A bunch of those Freikorps models may heal 2 instead of 1 too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axelst Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 The only ones that heal 2 is OG von Schill and Freikorpsmenn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azahul Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 Yep, that's the bunch I was thinking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jafar Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 After watching few next reveals I think that Buldoze action will get handy. High chance of a lot markers dropped here and there for many masters / factions now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiersonsMuppeteer Posted September 4, 2021 Report Share Posted September 4, 2021 On 8/28/2021 at 2:07 PM, touchdown said: If you have Yannick and the Metallurgist, does this combo work? Yannick does democratic elections, heals X freikorps models, then picks those same models to take 1 damage, which enchanted steel reduces to 0 leaving you with just heals? Same thing should work with Metallurgist and Drachen Trooper, damage-free Distracted/Slow/Stagger clear. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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