Da Git Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 So, It appears Tara overcame Shenlong at the recent tourney. Something I noticed was the the list included Hannah and I was wondering why? Can anyone see any secret synergies I missed (the only obvious one is Ancient Words has Glimps on it)? Did she just skip Adaptive Tactics or were there any other Freikorps models in there? Otherwise was it just cause she's a solid model with Arcane Reservoir? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesy Blue Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 Adaptive Tactics is a Tactical Action, therefore can be used on herself to Ancient Words again getting up to three uses a turn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adran Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 18 minutes ago, Jesy Blue said: Adaptive Tactics is a Tactical Action, therefore can be used on herself to Ancient Words again getting up to three uses a turn. Doesn't adaptive tactics only let you copy tactical actions... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikodemus Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 Tara player made a brief comment re: Hannah's inclusion on facebook (A Wyrd Place): Quote I also brought a scavenger. Hannah and it is a very strong counter punching package. Tara plays keep away for 2 turns and by the time something comes in, Hannah is fast with 3 focus and can have like a 21 damage activation. But yes, without arcane res and tools for the job, I wouldn't take that package. The way it played out, if the scavenger was anything but, he might have won. End of turn 5 scavenger leaped out of melee to drop a scheme scoring me deliver and denying him hold up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clockworkspide Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 5 hours ago, Adran said: Doesn't adaptive tactics only let you copy tactical actions... Yes, so you can't use it to Ancient Words, which is an Attack action. I made that mistake once and still feel bad about it... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erorior Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 Hannah was my go-to model for so many outcast crews in 2nd, so I love hearing about her in 3e as well. Now to actually get some outcast games in... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LexLock Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 The walk action is a tactical and so is a charge. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebo Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 IT says "select one of the target's tactical actions", I would doubt that any action non printed is considered one of the target's ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikodemus Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Zebo said: IT says "select one of the target's tactical actions", I would doubt that any action non printed is considered one of the target's ones. "The Actions listed below are available to all models in the game". -PDF rulebook page 22. "one of the target's tactical actions" sure sounds like it includes tactical actions available to the model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebo Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 Sorry, but that seems like a loophole for me, I really doubt they wanted Hannah to be capable of taking extra walks, charges, interacts etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Nikodemus said: "The Actions listed below are available to all models in the game". -PDF rulebook page 22. "one of the target's tactical actions" sure sounds like it includes tactical actions available to the model. General actions don't belong to specific models though, they're general. This is based on my understanding of normal english. Not sure if the game defines it in any other way. Models have more actions available than just "their actions"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikodemus Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 48 minutes ago, Ludvig said: General actions don't belong to specific models though, they're general. This is based on my understanding of normal english. Not sure if the game defines it in any other way. Models have more actions available than just "their actions"? That is certainly a possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LexLock Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 Some other models (like Lazarus) have different wording saying specifically "Printed on target models stat-card", so intended or not I think that implies more freedom being available to copy actions without that clause. Honestly I think the bigger issue with these sorts of actions generally is that there is no clause specifying other model, Hannah's probably not supposed to be effectively Swift but there are a ton of models that can get extra actions or movement without effort when that seems really unintuitive. Shenlong can Command himself to do interacts (which would probably look a little deranged in person), Hoffman's crew can violate the laws of physics by transferring power to themselves and getting a push out of it and the Banasuva can obey itself as a free action. I almost wish they had a no self-targeting clause with Tactical actions like with Attacks, but that would interfere with too many models now, rather they should have been much more liberal with the Target other clause in targeting for these sorts of actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesy Blue Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 Well this is a rabbit hole... Is this 10 stones model good or suddenly AMAZING!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katadder Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 General actions are not tactical actions, this is a holdover from 2e players where they used to be tactical actions. Does it say anywhere in general actions they are tactical actions? If not (it doesnt) then hannah cannot copy them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebo Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 In fact, although I think that Hannah can't do it, it's specified that every non-atack action is a tactical action. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, katadder said: General actions are not tactical actions, this is a holdover from 2e players where they used to be tactical actions. Does it say anywhere in general actions they are tactical actions? If not (it doesnt) then hannah cannot copy them Actions with a resist are attacks, I'm pretty sure there's a general rule saying any action without a resist is tactical but I can't double-check it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S4lt Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 As much as I doubt this is as intended, as pointed out, anything that isn't resisted, is a tactical action. The rules specifically state that the general actions are available to all models in the game. It seems legit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikodemus Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 42 minutes ago, katadder said: Does it say anywhere in general actions they are tactical actions? If not (it doesnt) then hannah cannot copy them PDF page 22: Quote An Action with a Resist is an Attack Action. An Action without a Resist is a Tactical Action None of the general actions seem to have a resist. Therefore, rules as written, they're tactical actions. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katadder Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, Nikodemus said: PDF page 22: None of the general actions seem to have a resist. Therefore, rules as written, they're tactical actions. You're late to the game, pointed out already by others 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikodemus Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 30 minutes ago, katadder said: You're late to the game, pointed out already by others 😉 Reading is overrated Anyway, I appreciate page references in these kind of discussions 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobosov Posted December 21, 2019 Report Share Posted December 21, 2019 Back to the original discussion, yes. Hannah with Tara is bonkers. You get an extra card. You get an extra heal/bury (copying Karina) or an extra Leap (copying Tara). You get an extra "not-built-in-but-as-if-tome" Burying attack. You get Counterspell. You get a 2/4/6 who, in this case, can *only* get to 4/6/8 (damn you Arik). When I think Tara lists, I always put in two beaters: one is Cthulhu aka The Nothing Beast and the other one is a free spot for... I don't know: Hannah, Arik, MDB if there is tons of Armor, Zipp as a second master, whoever. But Hannah is top there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clockworkspide Posted December 21, 2019 Report Share Posted December 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Kobosov said: Back to the original discussion, yes. Hannah with Tara is bonkers. You get an extra card. You get an extra heal/bury (copying Karina) or an extra Leap (copying Tara). You get an extra "not-built-in-but-as-if-tome" Burying attack. You get Counterspell. You get a 2/4/6 who, in this case, can *only* get to 4/6/8 (damn you Arik). When I think Tara lists, I always put in two beaters: one is Cthulhu aka The Nothing Beast and the other one is a free spot for... I don't know: Hannah, Arik, MDB if there is tons of Armor, Zipp as a second master, whoever. But Hannah is top there. You can't copy Karina or Tara with Adaptive Tactics, because they're not friendly Freikorps models, which is one of the restrictions attached to the action. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bisounours Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 On 12/16/2019 at 9:21 AM, Nikodemus said: Tara player made a brief comment re: Hannah's inclusion on facebook (A Wyrd Place): Did she/he post any of their list/matchup information? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikodemus Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, Bisounours said: Did she/he post any of their list/matchup information? Corner Turf War Hold Up Power Ritual Outflank Deliver a Message Vendetta Nothing Beast, Hannah, Aionus, Scavenger, Scion, Wretch. Opponent was the "UK GT" Shenlong list. Ototo, Yasunori, Kitty Dumont, Minako Rei. Might've had something else in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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