DonCheadle Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 Dear fellow Thunders, I recently mulled over lists and fell upon an interaction that may have been obvious to some, and yet may prove to be used to tremendous effect. The interaction I'm speaking of is between Protection Money (currently found of Lotus Eaters and Crime Bosses, both of them good models in their own right) and Mighty Gust (an all time favourite). Using the latter's ability to pick up and place enemy scheme markers, we can place up to three scheme markers within 3 of the pushed model. Protection Money triggers on every place. The result is a maximum of 6 cards drawn on a regular activation, but this can theoretically be increased to 15 or even higher in a Shenlong crew. Of course this is the optimum count, and relies on the opponent placing ample markers, but we are likely to be using Mighty Gust anyways. The models included are good on their own. I think the greatest winners of this interaction are Shenlong and Lynch, the prior bring able to abuse this even further, and the latter getting go mulligan a total of 6 cards using Yu's 0 copy. Further ideas include Servant of 5 Dragons on the Crime Bosses to promptly remove all the markers placed. What do you think? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesy Blue Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 <picks jaw up of the floor> Misaki with Wokou Raiders and their built in Drop It trigger and 0 action. I'm finding no flaw, except for the lack of ways to generate enemy scheme markers on your own. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCheadle Posted February 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 I was thinking about that too. The fact that it's baked in makes it pretty easy to accomplish. Imagine your opponent trying to get rid of their own markers, hahahaha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinn Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 12 minutes ago, DonCheadle said: I was thinking about that too. The fact that it's baked in makes it pretty easy to accomplish. Imagine your opponent trying to get rid of their own markers, hahahaha! You might already know this, but you can't actually remove friendly scheme markers with the (1) interact action that all models have access to. Your opponent is probably going to have a lot of trouble removing those markers. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesy Blue Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 Brewmaster/Wesley and Ama No Zako have Obey's!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eclipse Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 3 hours ago, Jesy Blue said: Brewmaster/Wesley and Ama No Zako have Obey's!! What I wanted to say too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trample Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 Going into a game tonight with Set Up, Inescapable Trap, and Search the Ruins in the pool. I may have to give this trick a try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nukemouse Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 Aionus and Bayou Smugglers can create enemy scheme markers cant they? Aionus can also move markers to trigger this ability and brings armor ignore, plus recalled training, fragile and the easily handed out focus present in TT means he can actually reliably hit those severes to bury people. I think i just talked myself into running Aionus TT when Yasunori exists, something is wrong with my brain, i think i will still try it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santaclaws01 Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 49 minutes ago, Nukemouse said: Aionus and Bayou Smugglers can create enemy scheme markers cant they? Aionus can also move markers to trigger this ability and brings armor ignore, plus recalled training, fragile and the easily handed out focus present in TT means he can actually reliably hit those severes to bury people. I think i just talked myself into running Aionus TT when Yasunori exists, something is wrong with my brain, i think i will still try it though. His marker movement thing is pushing them, not placing them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumpasses Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 wow this whole time I have been thinking on how to get the Crime Boss engaged ASAP with maximum survivability for the enemy activation draw... this is kinda gross in any crew that has access to WR....love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nukemouse Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 On 2/21/2018 at 11:11 AM, santaclaws01 said: His marker movement thing is pushing them, not placing them. He actually has two 0s, one needs a 3 to place a marker 6" from its current location. It works on scheme markers. Midnight does only push, but thats friendly markers anyway, though with a 10 he can place an enemy scheme marker using that, could be worthwhile on the first turn to help set up for yu's pushing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwork_Fish Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 What I like about doing this with Shenlong or Sensei Yu is that it's not like you're doing this just for the card draw. If I'm throwing enemies off the centre line to stop them scoring Guarded Treasure, I may as well get cards out of it. This is a pretty efficient use of your actions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCheadle Posted February 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 What do you think of this kinda list? 50 SS Ten Thunders Crew Asami Tanaka + 7 Pool - A Heavenly Design (2) - Bad Hair Day (1) - Grasping Strands (1) Kamaitachi (4) Sensei Yu (9) - Wandering River Style (2) Katanaka Crime Boss (8) - Hidden Agenda (0) Mr. Tannen (6) - Smoke Grenades (1) Terracotta Warrior (6) Obsidian Oni (6) With all the card draw Asami will be able to summon a ton of Oni, and she can consume the markers to heal back up. I think she may just become our premiére pick in Marker heavy pools. EDIT: Since Terracotta Warriors cannot swap 0-cost upgrades, one is likely better served using Servant or RT (or even Equality) to begin with. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InvokeChaos Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 I recently ran Shenlong solo in a tournament and I can say that 1st round against Titania, this was nuts. My opponent couldn't spam markers because of Crime Boss, but he had to put down one or two for his abilities, which meant card draw for me. There's not a huge amount of marker schemes, but the ones that do exist are perfect for this tactic. Guarded Treasure, Inescapable Trap, Dig their Graves and Setup all require some pretty nominal marker placement. Shenlong not only disrupts this heavily, but with the crime boss absolutely brings in some card advantage into an already high card advantage crew. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nukemouse Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 Remember Lotus Eaters also have this aura, not just Katanaka Crime Bosses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InvokeChaos Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 3 hours ago, Nukemouse said: Remember Lotus Eaters also have this aura, not just Katanaka Crime Bosses. Very true though their purpose is a bit counter to the concept. Lotus Eater wants to consume those markers, not let them linger. Not saying you can't order of activations it, but if you need to activate the lotus eater earlier to heal it or reposition and pop aggressive stance, that's one less marker for the "combo". Katanaka doesn't care about markers other than to draw cards from. Still a solid option, just a different application. I really like Lotus Eaters and have been looking at them lately more and more. The couple of times I've run them has been solid. They are pretty decent into Lilith for denying schemes and surviving longer than they should, thanks to Lilith being 5WP. Nekima's AP is normally wasted on them, so it works out ok. They are surprisingly fast. I just have been moving away from models that are under 7ss lately in 10T. I need to bounce back the other way for some testing. I've just been having a lot of success with 7 activation crews that are more elite. Also, a note on saturation, the bubble only triggers once regardless of how many bubbles. So a marker dropped by two crime bosses or a boss and an eater still only gets 1 card. So if you are thinking of brining multiple auras, space em out to prevent overlay and maximize coverage. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newsun Posted March 2, 2018 Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 On 2/26/2018 at 12:04 AM, DonCheadle said: What do you think of this kinda list? 50 SS Ten Thunders Crew Asami Tanaka + 7 Pool - A Heavenly Design (2) - Bad Hair Day (1) - Grasping Strands (1) Kamaitachi (4) Sensei Yu (9) - Wandering River Style (2) Katanaka Crime Boss (8) - Hidden Agenda (0) Mr. Tannen (6) - Smoke Grenades (1) Terracotta Warrior (6) Obsidian Oni (6) With all the card draw Asami will be able to summon a ton of Oni, and she can consume the markers to heal back up. I think she may just become our premiére pick in Marker heavy pools. EDIT: Since Terracotta Warriors cannot swap 0-cost upgrades, one is likely better served using Servant or RT (or even Equality) to begin with. Borrowed time already lets her summon tons of oni and not bringing at least one of our oni beaters seems a shame with her 1ap charges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meows0r Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 Has anyone tried Bayou Smugglers & their 'the swap' ability to (potentially) make enemy scheme markers in conjunction with Protection Money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nukemouse Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 Yes, there was a thread about that a while back. Worth noting if you dont place the marker you still usually draw a card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merchant Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 what about prospectors and "talking about shafts" ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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