Virtus Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 What are some of the most popular Frame for Murder targets for each faction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 In my experience: Executioners or Francisco in guild. Langston in arcanists. Francois in Gremlins. I imagine that new hard-hitting thing in TT. Any cuise-missile type model model that you know will die turn two or kill half the enemy list is a good frame for murder target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikodemus Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 If it hits hard and is in your face, it's probably their FFM guy But in my experience there's a few categories: Something that's in your face, killing all your guys. Bonus points if it takes a bit of effort to kill (example: Izamu). Something that earns a bunch of VPs (example: Necropunk). Something that's super annoying or disruptive without killing all your guys (example: Nurse). Basically anything that will cause you lots of trouble as the game goes on if it's not dealt with. Big killer is generally an expensive option but also hardest for the opponent to ignore. One for the newbies: any one figure that just runs straight at your most threatening master or henchman is probably the FFM guy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 Forgot about nurses. I happily give two VP away to get rid of those! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeJones Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 For Arcanists, it's tough to beat December Acolytes as FFM targets. From the Shadows so they're in an accessible location, resilient enough to need a heavy hitter to take down, and annoying as heck if they're allowed to shoot things. Other prime targets would be Howard Langston/Miss Step, Sabertooth Cerberus, and the Firestarter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilH Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 Vik of blood. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jafar Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 For Outcasts: - Vik of blood (as @NeilH said) - Trapper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlewicked Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 For neverborn I like Nekima or stitched together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spooky_squirrel Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 Then there's the other side of the coin: I've seen Outcasts use a Dead Outlaw as a FFM target and I've used a Union Miner (both got full points). When FFM is in the pool, I assume it's on someone like Francisco, and I do my best to ignore them. In the Arcanists I've used the Arcane Emissary as the FFM target. There are some obvious picks, as people have mentioned, and when the pick is obvious people will ignore it or let it die to conditions and deny you the points. That being said, Papa Loco and Willie are also both good FFM targets because they're too dangerous to let live long enough to get to you, and even killing them with conditions won't help against that part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomstick Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 Another oft-overlooked one for Arcanists (or Foundry crews in TT) is Willie. Nobody likes him being on the board near their people for some reason... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hydranixx Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 23 hours ago, Nikodemus said: Something that's super annoying or disruptive without killing all your guys (example: Nurse). Agreed. Interestingly, models like these in a FFM pool bring extra mindgames to the table, as they excel at both potentially being a FFM target and for shutting down potential FFM targets. The Nurse in your example can simply throw high cards at Blood or Langston or Yasunori all game to invalidate them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarlett fever Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 To expand on what spooky_squirrel mentioned killing with conditions is good denial. Obey is a double whammy, make the opponent kill your FFM target with his own model then kill their FFM with their own model also. This is the scheme for obey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogmantra Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 37 minutes ago, scarlett fever said: To expand on what spooky_squirrel mentioned killing with conditions is good denial. Obey is a double whammy, make the opponent kill your FFM target with his own model then kill their FFM with their own model also. This is the scheme for obey. Yeah, Zoraida is really nice for FFM because she has the Doll to deal hard to avoid damage that doesn't care about FFM (or you could just chain paralyse with a nurse for example), and she can make your opponents kill your own sucker. I had a game the other day where I spent a lot of time getting Howard Langston hemmed so I could kill him without popping FFM and then it turned out my opponent didn't even have that scheme lol. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dryzen Posted February 16, 2017 Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 Imo, Iggy is an underrated FFM target in Neverborn. Not only is he annoying since he hands out burning (up to 8 a turn with the Depression upgrade) he also can kill their FFM target with burning to deny them the points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Four_N_Six Posted February 16, 2017 Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 I tend to throw it onto dangerous models. I don't particularly care if I get all 3 points, as long as I can get 2. "Sure, you can leave Izamu alive, but he's going to wreck you." For me, FfM is a win/win. I'm either getting 2 points, or you're leaving a dangerous/important model alive. In gremlins, I throw it onto Earl a lot. People don't like letting Zipp have his built in for defense and Ml triggers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttsgosadow Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 I try to avoid taking FFM if possible, but then play as if I had taken it. With half the games having FFM in it, it's just a matter of time before people learn to play around it. I think that's the saving grace of it moving to suits, as I really dislike the scheme. Kinda tired of seeing FFM Howard every other game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 I like the scheme since it ups the value of control elements over killing. It also adds a fun bluff element. Frame and take prisoner in the same pool can for example lead to really interesting games of cat and mouse 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK1979 Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 With McCabe I like a reactivated Guild hound with a saber. A really cheap missile 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 I randomly flip mine these days 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corn Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 I really enjoy Frame for Murder on the Pathfinder. From for Shadows lets you deploy him aggressively, and if your opponent suspects him, as long as you've got a few good you can cause endless headaches for your opponent slowing down your opponents crew, forcing lots of simple walk duels to drain good cards from their deck / hand, and occasionally blasting with a surprisingly effective musket. Pathfinders are usually tedious enough that they warrant some special attention to kill, and with Df6 you can dodge attacks from most minions, and maybe draw the ire of a nearby master or henchmen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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