Math Mathonwy Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 I did some analysis on the top five lists for various and I included the SS costs in my little spreadsheet. Based on this but also on general opinion, I would like to discuss which faction has the edge at a given SS price point.Since 1SS is non-existent and 2SS is mostly totem territory, I think we can skip those. Stuffed Piglets and Rats are, I think, the only non-totems (and Stuffed Piglets probably win against Rats outside of crews that make use of the Blight mechanic). If we go by Totems, Puke Worm probably wins hands down but all in all I would like to discount Totems from this discussion since they are kind of their own special case.For three stones the selection is still very limited. Guild Hounds, Night Terrors, Malifaux Raptors, and Bayou Gremlins are some of the stand outs. Out of those, I think that the Bayou Gremlin is the most versatile and therefore I would say that Gremlins take the top place at 3SS though Guild certainly give them a run for their money. What do you think?Four stones gets a lot more variety with things like Depleted, Terror Tots, Canine Remains, Crooligans, various Effigies, Tengus, Guild Guard and so on but I think that the Arcanists steal the show here. They have the amazing little tanks in Metal Gamin, the great Scheme runners in Molemen, a combo of the previous roles in Mannequins, arguably the best Effigy, and nice shooty support in Fire Gamin. Oh, and Spiders as well.Five gets interesting in that Witchling Stalkers and Rotten Belles were the most voted for models in the polls. And then there's TT Brothers and Slop Haulers as well. And Performers are also very nice. Still, since there's also Nurses and Necropunks (the top three of Ressers was all five-pointers) I think I have to award the 5SS to Ressers. Guild isn't far behind with Latigo Pistoleros and Guild Riflemen supplementing the awesome Witchling Stalkers, though.Six is also strong Guild territory with Pathfinders and Death Marshalls while Neverborn boast the mighty Waldgeists and Stitched Togethers and Ressers counter with Flesh Constructs, Dead Doxies and Chiaki. But once more Arcanists have a strong claim here with Soulstone Miner, Large Steampunk Arachnid, Angelica, and, most importantly, the amazing Silent One. So I would be inclined to give this one to Arcanists as well, though Guild should get an honorary mention here. What do you think?Seven is very wide. Guild have Abuela Ortega and Hunter, TT have Katanaka Sniper and Illuminated, and Arcanists have Gunsmiths and December Acolytes. However, I think that this challenge is between the original inhabitants of Malifaux with Illuminated, Silurid, Doppelganger, and Beckoner going against Francois, Raphael and Sammy LaCroix, as well as Burth Jebsen. I think that the Neverborn inch out a win here, especially considering Kade and Tuco and such as well.Eight is deep into Henchman territory and features such powerhouses as Francisco Ortega, Cassandra, Myranda, Madame Sybelle, Trixiebelle, and Widow Weaver. On the non-Soulstone user front, TT have Yin, Samurai, Lone Swordsman, and Mr. Graves while Gremlins have the Pigapult. And don't forget the Outcasts with Sue, Hans, Vanessa, and Freikorps Specialist (as well as Rat King). This is a seriously tough bracket and I don't know who should get the honors. Any suggestions?Nine is next. Mortimer, Toshiro, and the Hanged or Sidir and the Judge? Or, wait, howabout, Sidir, Toshiro, Kang, Ama No Zako, and Sensei Yu? The best of nine comes from TT.Ten also has strong TT presence in Fuhatsu, Dawn Serpent, and Izamu. Gremlins are also very strong with Gracie, Mancha Roja, McTavish, and Fingers. Arcanists have Joss and The Captain who are no sloughs, either. But really, here now is the part where Outcasts get to shine. Hannah, Taelor, Bishop, Rusty Alice, Lazarus, Strongarm Suit, the hits just keep on coming!Eleven is strangely sparse with stuff like Peacekeeper, Rail Golem and Snow Storm but really, only one faction had an 11-stone giant in their top five: Teddy. Oh, and Mature Nephilim isn't bad, either.Twelve has the various Riders as well as Killjoy but really, Mechanical Rider is where it's at - especially when riding with Howard Langston. So yeah, I feel comfortable giving this one to the Arcanists.Finally, 13, Nekima vs Ashes and Dust. I think that this match-up is pretty clear, all hail entropy!So, this is my version:3: Gremlins4: Arcanists5: Resurrectionists6: Arcanists7: Neverborn8: ???9: Ten Thunders10: Outcasts11: Neverborn12: Arcanists13: OutcastsWhat's yours? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 I think you ought to do some work as well, I don't think your employer likes paying you for these. anyway, amazing job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgraz Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 Awesome. Subscribing........should be a lot of fun controversy forthcoming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math Mathonwy Posted October 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 I think you ought to do some work as well, I don't think your employer likes paying you for these. anyway, amazing job.Haha! In my defense, I wrote that in a seminar while a colleague was telling about a project that I'm really familiar with. Of course I could've written work emails with that time...(Incidentally, this is also why I have been somewhat active on the forums today) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilH Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 Impressive work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uktena Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 Does Angelica even DO anything besides cost soulstones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math Mathonwy Posted October 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 Does Angelica even DO anything besides cost soulstones?Huh? She pushes stuff around like a pro. For moving your own models, she is on par with a Belle, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 She pushes, she endures, she shares pain, she copies master casts. Goddamn, what doesn't she do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertmac Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 You missed coryphee for arcanists at 7's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hateful Darkblack Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 I think 8ss goes to Ten Thunders. I also think people underestimate the Desolation Engine for 13ss, but that just tips things even further in favor of Outcasts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thstringer Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 Now I have an excuse for when I lose with guild. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math Mathonwy Posted October 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 She pushes, she endures, she shares pain, she copies master casts. Goddamn, what doesn't she do?You're thinking of Cassandra, Angelica is the Enforcer who mostly pushes. But pushes are good! You missed coryphee for arcanists at 7'sAye, I actually thought about them, but since people really seem to love the Duet as opposed to individual Coryphee, I decided to omit them. Coryphee Duet does rule the 14SS bracket, though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LunarSol Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 Just a random note, Watcher's cost 4 SS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myyrä Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 Watchers are 4ss not 3. Guild hasn't got anything to challenge gremlins in 3ss category.Also 2ss bracket is not quite that devoid of non-totem models. There's also Mindless Zombie and Clockwork Trap, although only one of them can be hired. I would probably give 2ss category to rat though, just for being part of a stupid combo.Also the 11ss category doesn't go to Neverborn quite that easily. While Teddy is probably the most played model there, Rail Golem and Snow Storm are quite awesome models in certain crews. I don't think Teddy can be quite as useful in any crew as Snow Storm is with Rasputina and Rail Golem is with Hoffman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 Going to have to agree with that Rail Golem on a Hoffman crew. It's freaking horrible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadeton Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 Leveticus claims all the Riders, Killjoy and Howard, so I'm calling the 12ss bracket for Outcasts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 Leveticus claims all the Riders, Killjoy and Howard, so I'm calling the 12ss bracket for Outcasts. Haha. Damn Leveticus. you should form a Leveticus fan club with Ezyryder. Everytime I ask him a counter to something it's without a second that he says "well just melt it with Leveticus." "what I would do is" "melt it with Leveticus?" "yeah exactly." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonahmaul Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 My poor Ressers poor Guild too for getting no votes but at least they got some honourable mentions! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 My poor Ressers I share your pain friend. But we Rezzers will show them, we will show them all that we are a force to be reckoned with! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadeton Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 My poor Ressers poor Guild too for getting no votes but at least they got some honourable mentions! Just take nothing but 5ss minions and you'll be unstoppable. (Actually, in plenty of Resser crews, that pretty much works.) Nobody can beat Ressers in that bracket because they've loaded basically all their best minions into it. Personally, I think 5ss is the sweet spot for power vs cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LunarSol Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 Just take nothing but 5ss minions and you'll be unstoppable. (Actually, in plenty of Resser crews, that pretty much works.) Nobody can beat Ressers in that bracket because they've loaded basically all their best minions into it. Personally, I think 5ss is the sweet spot for power vs cost. Nothing wrong with having the best 6 SS model that just happens to cost 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiveCommander Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 I think Arcanists safely win the '14' Soulstone bracket with the Coryphee duet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattsetback Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 Surprised the 6ss torakage didn't get more love. Fantastic little scheme runners with lots of versatility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D_acolyte Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 You forgot rail works in 5 ss and lawyers in 6ss which are both good options. I think there may be some anti guild bias as they did not win any categories and they are strong in the 5-7 range. Though ultimately it comes down to play style and I would like to see it divided by some categories, such as 7ss support, 7ss longevity, and 7ss killing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHammer Posted May 26, 2015 Report Share Posted May 26, 2015 I agree about 10T for the 8SS bracket. Yin alone is that good, but the Lone Swordsman is a razor-edged cherry on top. While I don't disagree about the result of the 7 stone bracket, 10T also have Yamaziko and thunder archers in there, and both are amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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