zFiend Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 "It's more realistic" has to be the silliest argument for a bland Stage Magician Master that I have ever heard. Amen to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolution Black Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 ummm.. I am going to go against the grain and say I really like it! There, I have said it, now let the flogging start!! Seriously though, I loved the old model and do have them all somewhere (Under a pile of Orks no doubt), but I am looking forward to seeing how her crew pan out having seen this art and the performer a while back. If the models come out nice, this will have gone from a maybe set to a definite purchase. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r4st4f4n Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 Hmm, sadly I have to admit to being a bit disappointed. It's a bit of a shame really, because the new Colette box went from an automatic purchase to, "lets just have a look at the actual models". I'll probably buy it anyway, I really want a different Cassandra model, but I might keep using my old metal models for most of it. We will see how the whole thing turns out. I still got hopes that better colour schemes will make the model pop a little more as well.Tonight I thought, what if this was on purpose? It looks like there are MANY disappointed players. Some less satisfied players. Many undecided in the future "wannabe" players. What if Colette had just too many players, and her appeal was turned partially down just to rebalance her future frequency in tournaments, or just production? Maybe just a crazy thought, but after all Pottermore hat/entry-test puts you inside Hufflepuff(like being Aquaman, no one wants to), even if you answered like a perfect Griffyndor or Slytherin, to balance houses numbers... J.K.Rowling can, why don't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Lawson Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 If weight of opinion can change the look of the model then I'll pitch in with my 2p. Ergh, boring image of Colette is uninspiring, and doesn't befit the larger than life vision I envisage of her. Cunning master of misdirection, or Steampunk wannabe? If the model looks like the art, then I'll be sticking with my metal one (or trying to get hold of the old Avatar model and using one of them). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorbad Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 Tonight I thought, what if this was on purpose? It looks like there are MANY disappointed players. Some less satisfied players. Many undecided in the future "wannabe" players. What if Colette had just too many players, and her appeal was turned partially down just to rebalance her future frequency in tournaments, or just production? Maybe just a crazy thought, but after all Pottermore hat/entry-test puts you inside Hufflepuff(like being Aquaman, no one wants to), even if you answered like a perfect Griffyndor or Slytherin, to balance houses numbers... J.K.Rowling can, why don't we? Too many people are buying our product, let's make them stop? There is a big difference between running an online community and selling people products. Besides, I've not seen her be more popular than anyone else. I don't think I've ever played against someone else using Colette and it doesn't happen infrequently that people say they have never played against her before. If any arcanist master is everywhere its Ramos, there is a lot of people playing him currently. Also, its not like me maybe not buying the box will result in the sale of a different box. It just means a lost sale. I don't think there is a 'motive' behind the art change. Presumably that's just the style they wanted. Its just that a bunch of vocal people aren't keen on the new look. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Lawson Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 Its just that a bunch of vocal people aren't keen on the new look. Well everyone else is getting shiny new toys, and the one we hoped for is less shiny than we wanted Mebbe the sculpt will be more inspiring, and all this chatter will be for naught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helm Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 This new art reveal has made me jump straight onto Ebay, looking for the old sculpt. That's where some of the money I set aside for Gencon will be going. Old Colette wasn't just unique in Malifaux, she was one of the unique drawing points to the game itself; you'd have been hard-pressed to find another miniatures game with stage-magician and burlesque dancer miniatures, let alone the Coryphee. She was similar to the Dreamer and Teddy in that people would stop and have a look when they saw her on the table, and I haven't shown the art and miniatures to a single person without them commenting positively. Chandra in a dull dress really isn't a substitute. I'd be happy with this as an alt miniature, and hopefully this is the case with the artwork jumbled a bit. It's just a real shame to think of this being full-production model played by newcomers to the game, and to think of the potential players passing the gaming table without a second glance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowfane Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 This new art reveal has made me jump straight onto Ebay, looking for the old sculpt. That's where some of the money I set aside for Gencon will be going. Old Colette wasn't just unique in Malifaux, she was one of the unique drawing points to the game itselfHardly. When i started, the draw was cards as a resource, alternating deployment and a background that used mechanical spiders, undead hookers, killer teddy bears and cowboys in the same setting. Colette wasnt even mentioned until i happened to look through the arcanist masters and decided i liked how she played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poko Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 You=everyone ,got it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowfane Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 Well, my experience is as least as relevant as the person i was quoting, which was actually my point, so thanks for helping me to make it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorbad Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 I don't think it was as much that people would look specifically for Colette and that would draw them to Malifaux. More that people who saw the models would be interested because of the different style and flamboyant miniatures. They might never play her, but she was a flashy model that could draw attention if you randomly saw it on a table. But while models have generally looked very similar to the artwork it's still hard to judge it. It's partially obscured and I'm still choosing to believe that with something more interesting than a pinstripe dress it can still look quite flashy. Shame about the lack of a hat and cane though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Shine Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 I was dragged into Malifaux by the Coryphee. So I guess I do like pretty dresses Wait that came out wrong 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poko Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 It's partially obscured and I'm still choosing to believe that with something more interesting than a pinstripe dress it can still look quite flashy You know that's deluding yourself. What's obscured is a small part of her legs and boots. So unless they managed to sculpt her with a garterbelt so elaborate as to shame Lady Gaga, it'll be just as bland bottom as it is top. We do see 80% of the mini, and all of the "high visibility" parts- arms, body and head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yool1981 Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 It's the first time I feel meh about looking at a Malifaux artwork... I wasn't expected Colette to be the first one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetid Strumpet Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 What's somewhat humorous is that Mac said on a podcast that they were being real careful with Colette's rules because they knew if they got that wrong people would be up in arms... Shame tht thought wasn't also put into her art. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierowmaniac Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 Really really glad the Cheesecake went (Better saved for Nightmare or Miss models imho).......but new art just doesn't make sense, especially considering we have seen the 'Performer' artwork, so the idea her crew are on smuggling duty just doesn't work for a cohesive crew either. the only reason I can think is that the artist got instructions to make the art stand out less and be more subdued than the 'Fall Scematic' art we saw earlier in the year, or some other Colette art we haven't yet seen! Though I bet retailers are rubbing their hands together, now they can finally shift all those Avatar Collette's sitting on the shelves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiglitz Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 Perhaps, they've deliberately downplayed Colette appearance so as to make Cassandra even more flamboyant? It might just be me but the fluff always casts her as the outrageous one compared to Colette's more subtle appearance. Maybe we'll see a more 'showgirl' appearance from Cassandra and a couple of different poses from the performers? Also...It's worth pointing out again that artwork in a book does not always a model make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowfane Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 Perhaps, they've deliberately downplayed Colette appearance so as to make Cassandra even more flamboyant? It might just be me but the fluff always casts her as the outrageous one compared to Colette's more subtle appearance. Maybe we'll see a more 'showgirl' appearance from Cassandra and a couple of different poses from the performers? Also...It's worth pointing out again that artwork in a book does not always a model make. Amusing myself aside, this is my actual theory. Many of the old stage magicians had their assistants dressed with more glitz and glamour than they were, to aid in misdirection and prestidigitation and the like. Its possible wyrd have decided to go that route This time with Colette. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuesday Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 Perhaps, they've deliberately downplayed Colette appearance so as to make Cassandra even more flamboyant? It might just be me but the fluff always casts her as the outrageous one compared to Colette's more subtle appearance. Maybe we'll see a more 'showgirl' appearance from Cassandra and a couple of different poses from the performers? Also...It's worth pointing out again that artwork in a book does not always a model make. These are the only pictures I can find, but I'm not so sure about that.... This is Cassandra's new art-- she looks about exactly the same (but actually with a plainer bodice) : And I'm pretty sure this is a Performer.. (Correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't seen it named anywhere) : So yeah, I think they just turned the Flamboy-O-Meter way down for everybody, because apparently that's how things are going to be from now on. The glamorous magician/actress/showgirl crew can't be glamorous or frilly anymore because we want to seem dark and "realistic" instead~ 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floso Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 Not loving new Collette but not disliking it either, kind of feels like they have gone for a collette on her summer holiday vibe. Though the more I look at the art the more I think does lady j have a sister.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solicitor 6 Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 Agree with the comments that she is lacking that spark of style and flair that comes with being the leader of the performers at the Star. She is lacking that aura of a master. Even if they were going with "the magician dresses down and the assistant is more flamboyant for some of the misdirection" story, they could have at least included something that denotes she is a magician. Because Colette is my first and favorite master, I will be a sucker and buy her like this, if there is no change to art. But I am already planning sculpting her holding a fan of cards in her "aura hand." Her other hand will hold either a hat with a dove flying out, or a magic wand. Haven't decided yet. When I'm done with her, she will look like a magician. And oh yeah, those goggles are becoming a headband. Goggles on a slight of hand specialist? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolomyte Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 I'm still holding out hope the nightmare edition this year is Colette, and they leaked this picture to get me to shell out the extra cash for a version of her that is not so meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math Mathonwy Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 I'm still holding out hope the nightmare edition this year is Colette, and they leaked this picture to get me to shell out the extra cash for a version of her that is not so meh.In the long run that might be even more horrible, though. Colette is a very popular Master and has a draw all of her own. If a prospective player is intrigued by an amazing Nightmare version and is then told that all they can have is a bland, plain version (unless they scour the eBay for a $200 nightmare version), that is not a good first impression to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poko Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 Well, given there's still no non-nightmare ed of the Tara crew, it doesn't seem like a big concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math Mathonwy Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 And I'm pretty sure this is a Performer.. (Correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't seen it named anywhere) :She is, but apparently a limited edition version.So yeah, I think they just turned the Flamboy-O-Meter way down for everybody, because apparently that's how things are going to be from now on. The glamorous magician/actress/showgirl crew can't be glamorous or frilly anymore because we want to seem dark and "realistic" instead~Now that you mention it, everything kind of has been going towards a more understated, realistic, and gritty style during the 2nd edition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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