Popular Post Lucidicide Posted July 31, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 Hello Wyrdos, It is time for the summer edition of our twice-a-year errata! Unlike the winter errata, which looks at overall game health and improvements, the summer errata is aimed at only addressing significant problem areas within the game. We only looked at some of the most outstanding game issues that have persisted for some time in this errata. We are well aware that not every player likes errata, as there may be some confusion about the current versions of the cards. We offer all of our errata cards for free, and they are available in numerous places online. We believe that improving game health in the long-term is worth the risks. We just ask that you bear with us through updates, and we appreciate any help you can do in informing your communities. We truly believe this changes will make Malifaux more fun for everyone involved. With all that said, we have 4 changes for you in this errata: The Mechanical Rider's summon increased its TN by 2 (making it less likely to top deck), and its Arcane Ritual Trigger is significantly changed. It now places a single Scheme Marker within 1" of the target, but can position it further away for each additional Tome. It is no longer limited to once per Turn. The Mechanical Rider has been a standout model for awhile now. The increase in TN for summoning will make it more likely to require resources without stopping it from this function, and the Trigger change will make it less skilled at Schemes while still being quite good at them. This is a knock, but not one that fundamentally changes how this model plays. Wind Gamin no longer bury when killed. Now, if they die, they can push a model 5". Wind Gamin are a powerful 4ss model, and the point of this change was to be sure they died, thereby functioning within the normal confines of the game. Practiced Production now prevents you from placing Scheme Markers near non-Peon, non-Insignificant friendly models. This should help with some of the stronger combinations with models like the Malifaux Raptors by requiring models that could score to begin with, thus controlling this powerful Upgrade. Stuffed Piglets are now 3 Soulstones to hire. There have been complaints for a long time now about cheap Activations in the form of Stuffed Piglets. By making them cost 3, it limits this ability without impacting their gameplay for those that like them as they are. We feel that these changes will greatly improve gameplay for the Malifaux community. With all errata, we try to maintain models with as few changes as possible, ensuring that people can still use their favorite models... just in a toned down way. You can find a PDF of the cards attached below, as well as images up on our website. The cards will be up on DriveThruRPG in the coming weeks (we want to ensure there are no errors, so there is a longer delay). Thank you for your understand and support, and happy flipping. May all your Jokers be red. Mech Rider.pdf Wind Gamin.pdf Practiced Production.pdf Stuffed Piglets.pdf 14 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFOmega Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 4 minutes ago, Aaron said: Practiced Production now prevents you from placing Scheme Markers near non-Peon, non-Insignificant enemy models. This should help with some of the stronger combinations with models like the Malifaux Raptors by requiring models that could score to begin with, thus controlling this powerful Upgrade. I think this should be "near non-Peon, non-Insignificant friendly models." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinJ Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 Very suprised to not see any tweaks to Terracotta Warriors in relation to Leveticus but the rest of the changes look great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy in Suit Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 Dope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Von Woozle Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 Stuffed piglet change is so lazy and makes the model's pretty worthless at their job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWHSD Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 Is there going to be an errata card available for each of the 3 Wind Gamin like there have been for models with multiple cards in the past? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinionJack Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 11 minutes ago, Von Woozle said: Stuffed piglet change is so lazy and makes the model's pretty worthless at their job. I'd still take 2 with Wong for the extra explosions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KID55 Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 Mech Rider now looks great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elessarion Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 Just now, MinionJack said: I'd still take 2 with Wong for the extra explosions. Yep. Can be invaluable for helping Wong hit models that are out of his LOS. I've never taken more than 2 and probably wouldn't, so I don't mind this change. Eliminates the playstyle of spamming them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluepanther Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 5 minutes ago, WWHSD said: Is there going to be an errata card available for each of the 3 Wind Gamin like there have been for models with multiple cards in the past? Do you really need to ask that? Every Wind Gamin card will be available with the errata text. So yes you can get the 3 different pictures.. 9 minutes ago, Von Woozle said: Stuffed piglet change is so lazy and makes the model's pretty worthless at their job. What exactly do you think would have been better? They still only cost 3ss , can tie up the enemy to some degree, and if someone tries to kill them; the controller can choose to blow them up instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrayZed Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 I would have personally preferred Doves/Mannequins to be exempt from practiced production, but oh well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rancor709 Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 good changes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWHSD Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 2 minutes ago, bluepanther said: Do you really need to ask that? Every Wind Gamin card will be available with the errata text. So yes you can get the 3 different pictures.. There's currently only the one card available in the errata section. I wasn't sure if Wyrd typically makes one of the images available immediately with the others available shortly after, usually posts all of them at the same time and made an oversight in only making one available, or had decided that they were going to just start posting a single version of the card in their errata section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizuriel Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 34 minutes ago, bluepanther said: Do you really need to ask that? Every Wind Gamin card will be available with the errata text. So yes you can get the 3 different pictures.. What exactly do you think would have been better? They still only cost 3ss , can tie up the enemy to some degree, and if someone tries to kill them; the controller can choose to blow them up instead. Change it to when they are killed they have to explode. At 3SS all this is really going do is see more Bayou Gremlins instead of Stuffed pigs (except for Wong, he will eat the change and still bring SS for the explosions) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math Mathonwy Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 30 minutes ago, bluepanther said: Do you really need to ask that? Every Wind Gamin card will be available with the errata text. So yes you can get the 3 different pictures.. What exactly do you think would have been better? They still only cost 3ss , can tie up the enemy to some degree, and if someone tries to kill them; the controller can choose to blow them up instead. A 50% increase in price is quite drastic. Whereas before you could get three for six SS, now you get only two. They could've made the explosion mandatory and took an inch out of their Wk and Cg. Maybe even dropped a Wd. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lucidicide Posted July 31, 2017 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 All I can say is that this went through a lot of playtesting with a lot of suggestions proposed. Not everyone is going to be happy with any change that is made. I'm sorry if this change affects you negatively, but I truly believe it will cause more improvements in game quality than it will have negative impacts. 14 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotX Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 6 minutes ago, wizuriel said: Change it to when they are killed they have to explode. That's not what they're trying to balance. Their low stone cost allows for lots of spam that can tie up and easily out activate an opponent. I think the slightly higher cost will have people reconsider stuffed piglet lists. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizuriel Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 Just now, RiotX said: That's not what they're trying to balance. Their low stone cost allows for lots of spam that can tie up and easily out activate an opponent. I think the slightly higher cost will have people reconsider stuffed piglet lists. It will in the sense that outside Wong no one will hire them anymore. For 3SS a bayou Gremlin is just a better pick to hire 85% of the time (imo). Also means the pigapult will see a lot less play outside of Somer and Ulix as hiring it and ammo just became a lot more expensive. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergrum Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 Probably should of been 2ss and like hireable 3 (rare 6 for summon purposes) and mandatory blow up Currently not only are they awful hires compared to Bayous, it really screws the pigapult and makes it pretty useless since both forms of ammo are way overcost. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morach Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 The text on the Mechanical Rider's new version of Arcane Ritual currently reads: Quote For each (tome) in the final duel total... As is it seems that these scheme markers may be placed 2" away from the target with only a single tome, which doesn't seem to be the intention based on the initial text in the announcement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucidicide Posted July 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 It works as the cards say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edopersichetti Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 I may repeat what others said, but going from 2SS to 3SS makes the models completely useless as Bayou Gremlins are simply a better hire. SS cost increase looks like a "quick" solution, but definitely not the best one IMHO. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math Mathonwy Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 Just now, edopersichetti said: I may repeat what others said, but going from 2SS to 3SS makes the models completely useless as Bayou Gremlins are simply a better hire. SS cost increase looks like a "quick" solution, but definitely not the best one IMHO. Maybe Bayou Gremlins will become 4SS in the next errata! (I kid because I love!) 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizuriel Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 For 3E Gremlins should rejoin Outcasts as they seem to get Cuddled less 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melkore Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 Were some of these really that big of a deal? This is going to sound like I'm complaining as it's my faction getting all the hugs but there were bigger fish to fry than Mech Rider. As an Arcanist player in an arcanist heavy meta, Wind Gamin were never really an issue and Mech Rider was rarely seen. Three buried Wind Gamin can push something 15". So can Zoraida and her Wisps, every turn. No one is up in arms about that. Wind Gamin have a bad leap compared to Gupps for the same cost and meh combat skills. Even with cyclone, ml 4 isn't making it through much. 4ss and cannot be summoned by Mech Rider seemed pretty fair. Practiced Production did need some attention for sure. It made some schemes very predictable to the extent I was taking it to fake leave your mark and use it to make Claim Jump or Dig Their Graves easier while keeping them holding models back to kill raptors. Mech will continue to be too expensive to bring in many lists even more so now with the increase in resources to make her go. I'm more concerned other models didn't get anything adjusted like: No changes for Nihilism and scheme/strat based conditions? An Outcast has little incentive to play anything but Hamelin in status heavy pools to dictate what the opponent can play. Nothing on Yasonori being a touch too good? Just a slight stat change to slow him down and not allow a model with that much damage output access to 1ap 10" charges with flight. How did that make it though testing? Nothing on Ulix or Som'er summoning crews being very difficult to deal with and low resource intensity to set up? Nothing on Phillip and the Nanny being a low risk card farm? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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