orkdork Posted August 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 After another game under my belt, my competitive list is a beast. Extremely lethal to non-masters. The Wisps are a huge, huge buff. For the flex, I look to Mimic's Blessing, On Wings of Darkness + stones for cards, Crystal Ball, Retribution's Eye for Doppel, etc... I think I should add this monstrosity to PMF. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brdparker Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 1 hour ago, Twg said: is the First Mate dual faction? No, but it's swampfiend, so with the upgrade, it's available. 29 minutes ago, orkdork said: After another game under my belt, my competitive list is a beast. Extremely lethal to non-masters. The Wisps are a huge, huge buff. For the flex, I look to Mimic's Blessing, On Wings of Darkness + stones for cards, Crystal Ball, Retribution's Eye for Doppel, etc... I think I should add this monstrosity to PMF. Go for it! PMF's rather in need of an update. I sadly am not able to play enough to get a cohesive enough set of information to contribute (I'm lucky if I get 2 games a month in), but it'll get there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetaphoricDragn Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 1 hour ago, orkdork said: After another game under my belt, my competitive list is a beast. Extremely lethal to non-masters. The Wisps are a huge, huge buff. For the flex, I look to Mimic's Blessing, On Wings of Darkness + stones for cards, Crystal Ball, Retribution's Eye for Doppel, etc... I think I should add this monstrosity to PMF. Once I get all the components, i'm very interested to try that list of yours. Still debating Nurse vs Lilitu though. As a side note, what base size are the wisps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chryspainthemum Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 Out of curiosity, and not having really delved into zoraida before, what are people using as proxies for willowisps? Tournament-legal proxies, that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orkdork Posted August 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 45 minutes ago, MetaphoricDragn said: Once I get all the components, i'm very interested to try that list of yours. Still debating Nurse vs Lilitu though. As a side note, what base size ae wisps? Curious how it goes for you! I find lure is amazingly helpful in this list, but a heal would be as well. Wisps are 30mm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HegemonyKrcket Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 I'm very eager to put some Wisps on the table and see how well they perform (outside of the Summoning assistance). I just have to figure out what I'm using as a proxy... and finally build my Spawn Mother and Gupps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HegemonyKrcket Posted September 19, 2016 Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 @orkdork what are you using for Wisp proxies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orkdork Posted September 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 I happened to have a bunch of these OOP models: http://cadwallon.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/400x400/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/s/y/sylvananimaes_copy.jpg Swords removed for baubles. Not terribly helpful for others, I'm afraid. I'm considering making some out of my old ork squigs and some fae wings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orkdork Posted September 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 BTW, I've found this list to pretty much be ideal. At least I haven't found any good improvements on it: Zoraida, Wings of Darkness, 7ss McTavish, Thousand Faces Doppel Lilitu Iggy Spawn Mother 2 wisps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anung Un Rama Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 @orkdork I'm interested in a breakdown of this list and they interact with each other. Looks interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeddyBear Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 i would try this list next time: Big Z, hex bag, tarot reading - 5ss cache Mr.Graves 8ss Lelu 7ss Lilitu 7ss Doppel 7ss Papa Loco 7ss Nurse 5ss Iggy 5ss what do you think? with doppel can i copy: (1) "te llevaré al infierno conmigo" of papa?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goopy Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 On 9/19/2016 at 3:39 PM, HegemonyKrcket said: @orkdork what are you using for Wisp proxies? I'm a Gremlin player but here is my Wisp proxies. They are super powerful and make Zoraida super good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzinatah Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 Wood Elf sprites make for good Wisp proxies too P.S. I tried a Gremlin version of this list and it was quite a bit of fun, although it was a Story mission where I couldn't really pull off most of the tricks. The Wisp/Spawn Mother combo is great, though. Looking forward to trying them out again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaintxu Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 So I have a doubt about the wisps. What is their main use in this list? Summoning a gupp every turn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scratchnsniff Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 Ive used 2 wisps in zoraida crew pretty consistently. Full list was: Zoraida Widow weaver with own upgrade and FGF Spawn mother and FGF 2 wisps Myst emissary Flexible last model Used one wisp to summon a doll if not there already to die to FGF (overlapping between the henchmen) which dies and leaves scrap. Zoraida can then make another which also dies. Widow weaver can make a doll. Other wisp can summon Gupp for SM. Between the 2 wisps it means you can pretty safely summon 2 models each turn, although its a nuisance keeping WW and SM close enough. The wisps are also cheap activations, for 3ss theyre auto include with the right zoraida build for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chryspainthemum Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 On 30/06/2016 at 7:07 PM, Vorschlag said: I would drop the doppleganger, while she's a lovely model with some nice abilities personally I find she doesnt make back her stones in either vp or kills. This could be because she tends to paint a bullseye on her own head in my local meta or it could be that I'm just using her incorrectly. I personally find Waldgiest very hard to exclude when using McTavish with Zoraida and if I wasn't including a nurse I'd be inclined to include a gator to paralyze atleast one model per turn from doll abuse. of course sacrificial gupps for juju and boars to rage over could also be particularly useful. If a model is painting a bullseye, it's probably a good, if not the best, model? anyways, doppel with McTavish is fine, you're getting at the most basic 3 shots at Sh6 into cover and engagements for... 7ss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutter Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 Dopple gets the + to Sh if Swampfiends are around, too, because that'as not part of the trigger. So not too shabby ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 For anyone still interested in building their own I saw a really great wisp conversion with the wings and body from a skeeter and some greenstuff. That would make it tournament legal even if the TO is enforcing the no models from other companies policy. Unfortunately I didn't take pictures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chryspainthemum Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 7 hours ago, Mutter said: Dopple gets the + to Sh if Swampfiends are around, too, because that'as not part of the trigger. So not too shabby ... It's definitely a part of the trigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetid Strumpet Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 No, he's a Swampfiend though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutter Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 5 hours ago, chryspainthemum said: It's definitely a part of the trigger. Damn, you're right. My bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vorschlag Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 On 11/4/2016 at 1:55 AM, chryspainthemum said: If a model is painting a bullseye, it's probably a good, if not the best, model That's situational, while that can be beneficial in a game of asset management to have your other assets ignored I tend to find I can make better use of those stones on assets which work directly with either the existing synergy/theme of the build and/or the strats and schemes. I rarely find use for a doppleganger with Zoraida, Pandora and Lucius on the other hand... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trixter Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 Hey, folks! What do you think about Malifaux Raptors with Mom Z? Not only about "unbury and engage them" but also about trigger on target Voodoo doll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thana. Posted December 3, 2016 Report Share Posted December 3, 2016 On 11/4/2016 at 4:27 PM, Vorschlag said: That's situational, while that can be beneficial in a game of asset management to have your other assets ignored I tend to find I can make better use of those stones on assets which work directly with either the existing synergy/theme of the build and/or the strats and schemes. I rarely find use for a doppleganger with Zoraida, Pandora and Lucius on the other hand... Doppelganger has more synergy with lilitu and mctavish than any other model in NB. Waldgeists are great, and great with mctavish but the synergy is much less if that's what you're trying to maximize. Perhaps you're overvaluing key-word synergy or visual theme compared to how well two models actually function in tandem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vorschlag Posted December 4, 2016 Report Share Posted December 4, 2016 I never suggested using Lilutu, your welcome to your own view but these are the obvious synergies I was referring to. McTavish - loyal scouts trigger (swampfiends) -Aura the swamp is ours (swampfiends) Waldgeist -germinate - (mctavishes aura) -entrench trigger Vodoo doll - dance, puppet - (walgiests trigger) Zoraida -repulse (waldgiests trigger) Hexed among you -walgiest (swampfiends) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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