Bengt Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Me and some other people didn't get The Captain's upgrade card Patron's Blessing in the crew box. Is this intentional? Or is it just missing from some boxes? Can we get the card through the report missing stuff procedure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victoria Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 If something is missing in a box, report it, they are very good at getting whatever is missing out to you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonshine Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 I suspect Bengt is posting here rather than go through the regular mispack service because it's kind of strange for a large number of people to receive the same mispack. Perhaps there's something wrong with the lot, perhaps it's an intentional loss. If it's intentional, it's not precisely a "mispack," so I think it's worth posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebarbalag Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 I think everybody who got one from my area, myself included, found that particular card missing as well. Don't matter to most of us, as we've got the arsenal deck, but it's probably something Wyrd would like to know about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonasty Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Let you know when my box arrives but yeah this seems to be a recurring theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philosfr Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Since I had the cards from the arsenal deck, I didn't even look at the cards in my Troubleshooters box. I'll check to see if mine is missing too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucidicide Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 The Captain's Upgrade (Patron's Blessing) is not included in the Ironsides box. We haven't announced it yet, but we're doing a General Upgrade box that includes all the Upgrades listed under General Upgrades for each Faction. The Arsenal Boxes are not (and were never intended to be) a permanent answer to the game. They are fill-ins to help people move from M1E to M2E. As such, they will intentionally phase out. That said, there were General Upgrades included in them that are not available any other way. This was unfortunate for newer players, as they didn't need to buy the Arsenal Boxes in order to have the stat cards, essentially creating card waste. So we planned on a box that includes all the General Ugprades. The General Upgrades box will include all 7 Faction's General Upgrades. This is for a variety of reasons, but the primary is one of cost -- we can offer it cheaper to customers overall by combining them. Anyway, all that is by way of saying that The Captain's Upgrade is included in the General Upgrades Box. That's where it's listed in the book, and that's where it's included from a production standpoint. It's not in the Ironsides box. Those of you who bought the Arsenal Box have it, as will everyone who buys the General Upgrades box. This box should be available at GenCon. The usual disclaimers apply, of course, but it's our intent to have it there! 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwork Top Hat Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 ah ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrflamme Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 That's great to hear. I was hemming and hawing over the Whiskey Golem upgrade since it wasn't in the NE box, especially since I'm not particularly interested in pure Gremlin (have Brewmaster, considering Zoraida), but the general box would get me that upgrade and several other faction upgrades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guslado Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 The Captain's Upgrade (Patron's Blessing) is not included in the Ironsides box. We haven't announced it yet, but we're doing a General Upgrade box that includes all the Upgrades listed under General Upgrades for each Faction. The Arsenal Boxes are not (and were never intended to be) a permanent answer to the game. They are fill-ins to help people move from M1E to M2E. As such, they will intentionally phase out. That said, there were General Upgrades included in them that are not available any other way. This was unfortunate for newer players, as they didn't need to buy the Arsenal Boxes in order to have the stat cards, essentially creating card waste. So we planned on a box that includes all the General Ugprades. The General Upgrades box will include all 7 Faction's General Upgrades. This is for a variety of reasons, but the primary is one of cost -- we can offer it cheaper to customers overall by combining them. Anyway, all that is by way of saying that The Captain's Upgrade is included in the General Upgrades Box. That's where it's listed in the book, and that's where it's included from a production standpoint. It's not in the Ironsides box. Those of you who bought the Arsenal Box have it, as will everyone who buys the General Upgrades box. This box should be available at GenCon. The usual disclaimers apply, of course, but it's our intent to have it there! So does this mean that there won't be Wave 3 Arsenal decks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucidicide Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 So does this mean that there won't be Wave 3 Arsenal decks? In fact it does. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noob Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 So, those of us who have every arsenal deck will not need to buy the General Upgrade deck, because we should have them already, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 So, those of us who have every arsenal deck will not need to buy the General Upgrade deck, because we should have them already, correct? Yup. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r4st4f4n Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 The Captain's Upgrade (Patron's Blessing) is not included in the Ironsides box. We haven't announced it yet, but we're doing a General Upgrade box that includes all the Upgrades listed under General Upgrades for each Faction. The Arsenal Boxes are not (and were never intended to be) a permanent answer to the game. They are fill-ins to help people move from M1E to M2E. As such, they will intentionally phase out. That said, there were General Upgrades included in them that are not available any other way. This was unfortunate for newer players, as they didn't need to buy the Arsenal Boxes in order to have the stat cards, essentially creating card waste. So we planned on a box that includes all the General Ugprades. The General Upgrades box will include all 7 Faction's General Upgrades. This is for a variety of reasons, but the primary is one of cost -- we can offer it cheaper to customers overall by combining them. Anyway, all that is by way of saying that The Captain's Upgrade is included in the General Upgrades Box. That's where it's listed in the book, and that's where it's included from a production standpoint. It's not in the Ironsides box. Those of you who bought the Arsenal Box have it, as will everyone who buys the General Upgrades box. This box should be available at GenCon. The usual disclaimers apply, of course, but it's our intent to have it there! I approve the General Upgrades Deck, as I was one of those suggesting it, since the Betas (even though I needed both Arsenal Decks anyways). I am quite confused about the Captain specific Upgrade, though: I believe more generic Upgrades (e.g. requiring Ancestor/M&SU characteristic) should be into that Deck, but the Upgrade with the name of a Henchman included in a Crew Box, should come together... "Oh, I just bought a Crew Box, but if I want to play those 5-ish General Upgrades too, I must buy the cards for the models of my entire Faction, including doubles of my Box" sounded quite bad some times, but "Oh, I just bought a Crew Box, but if I want to play my Henchman's specific Upgrade, I must buy the cards for the Upgrades of all the Factions" sounds somewhat stranger. There will be less doubles overall, and that's positive. This Captain thing is the only one surprising me Got what happened in the General vs Crew Specific Upgrades division, if it won't be the rule, I can live with it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgs Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 This box is actually okay for me, because between me and all my friends who are now playing Malifaux we have all the factions covered except gremlins and I know a guy who may want them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retnab Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 This is a great idea, as someone just barely getting into the game (I only have the Ramos and Mei Feng boxes, along with December Acolytes and Metal Gamin) trying to figure out the arsenal packs and what I actually need for the game has been frustrating. Putting everything into a "Start Here" sort of box sounds like a terrific change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonshine Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 How is an upgrade that can only be equipped to a specific named character something you decided would be a "general" upgrade, rather than an upgrade that came with that character? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palooka Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 That's a pity - I rather liked the idea of the Arsenal Decks purely as a stopgap "if I lose cards" solution. But the general upgrade pack is a great idea too. Al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengt Posted June 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 How is an upgrade that can only be equipped to a specific named character something you decided would be a "general" upgrade, rather than an upgrade that came with that character? I kind of feels like bureaucracy gone wild. It didn't fit on Ironsides' page in the book so they had to put it on the general page. Then when it comes time to organize the crew box it gets left out since it's already been printed on the general page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonshine Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 I love Wyrd, but that's some pretty asinine logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math Mathonwy Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 So it's "All generic Upgrades for all Factions as well as one specific Upgrade for The Captain" -box? Sounds like the result of thorough planning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phinn Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Rogue Necromancy's Pack, Nekima's The True Mother, Spawn Mother's Protect the Young, Widow Weaver's Hand Bag, Nothing Beast's Void Shield, Karina's The Faces of Oblivion, McTavish's Cute Critters, Mancha Roja's Extra Gremlin, Mud Toss (McTavish or Mancha Roja) and Samurai's Favor of Heaven, Favor of Earth and Favor of Jigoku. All these upgrades are considered general. Acording to Gmorts Chaotica: Unboxing Malifaux though, Rogue Necromancy comes with Pack upgrade, Nekima's box does contain The True Mother, Herald of Obliteration - Tara Box Set contains both Void Shield and The Faces of Oblivion, as well as Samurai box contains all three Favors. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonshine Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 That's an interesting point, Laika. It makes this statement: The Captain's Upgrade is included in the General Upgrades Box. That's where it's listed in the book, and that's where it's included from a production standpoint. Puzzling and inconsistent with the precedents set in previous releases. I find it far more likely that the card in question was forgotten (either on Wyrd's end or the printer's) and that rather than further delay Ironsides' release while it was sussed out (for a kit that was already delayed for problems getting cards) they decided to ship them as-is, and have Aaron come play damage control by spinning an obvious oversight into a sales pitch for a new product. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phinn Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 The same goes for Of Metal and Flesh - C. Hoffman Box Set and Patchwork Plating, Programmed Directive, Hydraulics and Targeting Systems - all General Guild Upgrades from Malifaux 2E - Crossroads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phinn Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 One more update: I have checked multiple webstores and Rogue Necromancy, Nekima and box of Samurais do not come with those upgrades anymore. Box Sets (Herald of Obliteration and Of Metal and Flesh) still do though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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