Iron Heel Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Eek! I was hoping doing the renders on computer would help with tightening the scale..That pic does not give me hope. I am all good with "people come in all shapes and sizes," but to me, if you're height 2 on a 30mm base, then you should look pretty darn close to the other 2 & 30s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nagash13 Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 their hieghts are not too far off. the head scale is. left model is more of a true scale head where the one on the right looks to be what they call heroic scale head which is slightly larger. other companies are really bad about it as well. you will get unit leaders without a helmet whos head is the same size as the outside of the helmets his unit is wearing.... you kinda stop and think, how would he squeeze his big noggin in there. but heroic scale heads allow for more detail and better more dramatic paintjobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombanjo Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 I don't think their heads are in different scales to the same body...like heroic to normal, but that they are built to different scales. Look at hip and shoulder width of the comparative difference between the size of the forward legs...not even close Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edonil Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 Yeah, but Height is such an abstraction in this game. Height 2 doesn't mean '5 foot 6', it means 'taller than Height 1'. Height 1 is shorter than Height 2, Height 3 is taller than Height 2... trying to pin them down to exacts like that isn't the intention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironmonger Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 So, no pic of the 2nd Vik next to Vanessa? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombanjo Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 So, no pic of the 2nd Vik next to Vanessa? Hold yer horses..here is 2nd Vik and a ronin And for fun, a ronin, Vanessa, a beckoner and a lady torakage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carasz Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 That's a really big difference... It's like two actually different scales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mason Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 Is the ronin on a slightly taller base there? It might just be the perspective, but the pics make it look like her base is raised a bit more than the other models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 Although the scale really IS different (no doubt about it), I think its better. Good job, Wyrd, for realizing that previous plastics were just too small, and not sticking with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decker_cky Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 Although the scale really IS different (no doubt about it), I think its better. Good job, Wyrd, for realizing that previous plastics were just too small, and not sticking with it. Agreed. Also - it's no more inconsistent than Wyrd's scale has always been. Metals had things that were tiny like dead justice, and giants like the union miners. I think it's likely that scale will improve with plastics, but I'm glad that wyrd didn't lock themselves into the scale they used for the first batch of plastics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r4st4f4n Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 (edited) Agreed. Also - it's no more inconsistent than Wyrd's scale has always been. Metals had things that were tiny like dead justice, and giants like the union miners. I think it's likely that scale will improve with plastics, but I'm glad that wyrd didn't lock themselves into the scale they used for the first batch of plastics. Yes, I'm pro to the heroic scale head too. But, let me get this, am I going to play with dwarvish metals(gimme him, at least! xD), microcephalic old plastic(a brain could barely possibly fit, in my poor middle Rail Worker's head, no way in my friend's torakage's..), and new steroid-gigantism bobble heads? XD I hope only Viks will play in NBA, although my Ramos is lucky to have mostly constructs, I'd like to still play him, without him appearing to be old Bilbo Baggins Edited September 2, 2013 by r4st4f4n Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mythicFOX Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 The other thing to keep in mind is people aren't all clones. There are a range of body sizes and shapes out there IRL. Even if the average has moved some models should still be a bit taller / shorter than others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r4st4f4n Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 The other thing to keep in mind is people aren't all clones. There are a range of body sizes and shapes out there IRL. Even if the average has moved some models should still be a bit taller / shorter than others. Granted. Your brain can recognise a human form even in a stickman, and process a comic strip like it's real. But if, in the same scene, a woman's head is as big as a woe's hand, and another's woman's head is larger than a man's chest, then your brain rejects the fiction and the "flow" doesn't work. Some proportions are respected even by dwarves, newborns, obese/anorexic, Guinness World Records tallest/shortest men, that's how you discern 25mm minis from 32mm. I think there should be a minimum of backward compatibility, not for me, mostly for the 10+ old crews owners... The scale has never be precisely defined, there were many slightly different ones in old Malifaux, a new one with plastics, now another new one, hardly compatible with every other, seems a bit messy... And I am one of those who appreciate the new Wyrd's work, and do not like the too many issues raised on this forum on every little trifle... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 The difference in the models is really big. It's immediately caught to the eye. If they are supposed to be same scale, there's been a mistake at some point, no matter how you justify the mistake with people in real life being different scale. Think of an army of say space marines, where stands 3 different scale models from the same company, that are supposed to be same scale. Would that be justified by different factories making different armors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Heel Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 (edited) Uggh. This is really bumming me out. The tora, beckoner, and other fig totally DON'T look to be the same scale as the ronin. It looks like they sized the figs in that set vs. each other but not vs. the rest of the line. I am currently operating under the assumption that Wyrd has not chamged scale as I've heard not mention of biggie figure from the new releases. Sure, there should be big folks...but that should be reflected in the stats and fluff if model X is a biggie. How many scenes are there describing the Viks or a ronin whacking their heads on doorjams? A ronin is a generic fighter and shouldn't be huge! These are done on computer and in my opinion Wyrd should have a much tighter QC around this. If this does reflect a scale change...please just make it consistent across all the new stuff and quit switching it up. Edited September 2, 2013 by Iron Heel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curropepe Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 This a little letdown to me too. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it is a big deal, but the OCD in me wants every model in the same scale, and I thought the virtual rendering would make it possible. I loved the new Viktorias crew, but seeing they don't match other models, even the ones that should be in their crew (Vanessa), makes me like them less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombanjo Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 The bases are the same height and I'm not really hung up on the scale difference, just surprised when I saw them side by side. I don't mind the plastic getting scaled up a little, and if it mitigates to some degree the fiddly bits great, esp for new players. I happened to have camera and crews out (which is rare) and knew this thread was out here. I think a little creative basing for Vanessa and I'll be all set. I'm not even sure but that the first wave of plastics wasn't underscaled...Misaki plastic box v. original metal 10 thunders guys for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r4st4f4n Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 Wait! Maybe we can breathe half a sigh of relief! Not if you are a Viks player, really... nor the responsible for molding... but take a look at this Looks like just the big girls got the problem, also within the new plastics => maybe next boxes won't! Can anyone confirm that? I saw a picture where the guy under the Wendigo looked much bigger than Rasputina... We'd have to see Raspy near a Ronin too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zac Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 This was about even with the last set of plastics. Put the three torakage together and see what I mean. Same with the Guild pathfinder and guild riflemen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironmonger Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 Wow... yep, the Ronin and at least the Vik of Ashes is, for me, distractingly off from the rest. I mean, I have the Hired Swords in hand, and I don't think they're unplayable with the other minis in the new ranges of plastics... but yep, it's obvious. I REALLY hope that 38mm render from TtB we saw gets sized down. I don't want my males and females to be, well, the size of Space Marines... (maybe Von Schill) Anyone have a shot of Rasputina next to Lady J and Tara they could put up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misery Rex Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 Tara could just be short and the Ronin could just be a big girl...or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victoria Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 Anyone have a shot of Rasputina next to Lady J and Tara they could put up? I could get you Tara and Raspy, but I don't have Lady J (2.0) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r4st4f4n Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 (edited) Another one for that the swords are the only amazon girls: Miss Step is same size as Rail Crew members (even smaller than I was expecting from the art!) (pic by Dave M.) Keep sharing pics, please (I found this one during the first search, I lol'd xD) Edited September 3, 2013 by r4st4f4n Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracomax Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 Miss step is also really, really small. I would actually prefer the amazon girls be the standard. color me dissapointed if the tiny scale ends up being the standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagingRodian Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 Miss step is also really, really small. I would actually prefer the amazon girls be the standard. color me dissapointed if the tiny scale ends up being the standard. Why would you want to encourage scale creep? If she is supposed to be an amazon let her be the exception, not the rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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