i_was_like_you Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 I really hope that they eventually do a Malifaux 2.0 with a complete overhaul of every model, bringing them all up to the same iteration of the rules with a view to consistency across the board. Me too. At 9ss, Rail Golem outshines so many other models from that slot. Joss, power counters, cute, but not nearly as awesome as having other models in your crew stoke up the number of burning tokens on the Golem. [Again with the discrepancies between tokens and counters...A counter, for good or ill, should be something on a model. A token is a representation of something separate, be it a corpse, some scrap, that can be picked up or dropped.] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sliver Chocobo Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 It does mean no von schill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbagianni Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 Out of interest, what does the word "mercenary" mean to you beyond "very well paid pawn"? That sounds like a perfect description of a mercenary to me. Because with the 10T you start as an 'employee'...end end up as selling your soul. Well, maybe that's just lynch but...I don't trust them too much. *wink* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar86 Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 You shouldn't trust them, they're Yakuza, they will shank you if you cross them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Does anyone have Vanessa's stats and abilities in PDF format (or something) similar that I can print out and more or less be same size as the standard cardS? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CannonFodder Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 I think the main reason Aetheric Demands was given to her was to stop you from taking the arcane efffidgy, which to me would make the vikis a little broken. In theory the student of conflict gives the same effect but with the arcane effidgy you would habeben able to get the extra AP and still have some mobility. After that I don't see any arcane constructs I would really take. I might take the rider or a LSA but I think Taelor or Johan are good replacements for them. But I might try them if I already had them, but not worth the extra purchase. Even without the constructs I think vanessais good for the vikis to consider an auto include. I personally want to see them destroy kirai. Vanessa attract which does 2 damage to everything in 2 inches is magical and not a pulse. So in one shot you destroy all the seshin in base contact with kirai, and she can't really stop it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boshea Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Arcane Effigy would just give you an AP for casting. Granted it would lead to +2Dg probably being on them all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xKoBiEx Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Aestheric Demands doesn't prevent you from taking another model with Aetheric Demands. It prevents you from taking totems. Arcane Effigy is not a totem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drool_bucket Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 There is a ruling out there (can't find it right now) that prevents more than one Aetheric Demands per Master. Try it in the Crew Creator and you see that you can't do Vanessa and the Arcane Effigy in the same Scrap crew. Matter of fact, the only way you can seem to get an Arcane Effigy in with Vanessa is by playing a Brawl level game with another Master that can select the Effigy. anyways, I agree that Vanessa is just about an auto-include. Once people start to see what a third point of Sisters in Spirit does for a Viks crew they will be delighted, let alone all the other things she does for the Viks. Magical shooting, card manipulation, her spells.... honestly, I think she was given Aetheric Demands because her with a Student would be just gross... as for a Construct to take from the Arcanists... I think the Mech Rider will offer a nice change for the Viks. Taelor is great, but for a SS more you get so much speed... and speed is something the Viks generally love. (not that other's don't) Likewise, it will be hard to not take a rail Golem in some instances... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_was_like_you Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 IMO, Fast from the Student is better than just an extra cast AP, anyways. So take VonSchill instead of the Effigy, and he can bring the Student along to help any models you keep near him at any given time. Outcasts Crew: Viktoria; Von Schill [9ss]; Student of Conflict [3ss]; Vanessa, Treasure Hunter [7ss]... Still leaves 16ss at 35ss level or 11ss at the 30ss level. It's a bit stone intensive, but still nets some good models and leaves room for choosing aViktoria and an Arcanist model. Speaking of which, the Soulstone Miner works so much better at gaining stones when it's on the offensive, picking off stray models on their last legs, than it is just sitting there grinding out stones until it dies. The Vikies are great at getting models to their last legs in hurry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seregon Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 A bit of a necro here, but regarding Vanessa and the Hodgepodge Effigy.. Aetheric Demands would normally disallow both of these models to be taken at the same time, but wouldn't Hodgepodge's "Misfit" ability overrule this? Misfit: Crews led by Outcast models may hire this model ignoring any Abilities that would prevent it from being hired. Shouldn't misfit then ignore Aetheric Demands on Vanessa and thus be hireable itself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_was_like_you Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 I want to be able to say yes, but I think that they've made Aetheric Demands trump Misfit. That, or the Crew Creator just missed all Misfit interactions. Right now, it'll let you take either Vanessa or Hodgepodge, but not both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 and if I have to give up the student of conflict for one of those two, I know which one I'm choosing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicKeen Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 The past two games I've played the Vikkies, this has been my list: @25ss: Viks (7 cache) Vanessa (7) Steamborg Executioner (11) I'm loving it. Vanessa is just great, be it the extra point of SiS, the free Whirlwind trigger, or giving Sword Vik slow to die for a clutch healing flip or (if i have the cards) a hilarious deathbed whirlwind. This list, though small, is hyper mobile and hits like a city bus with Keanu Reeves behind the wheel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_was_like_you Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 Although I like the Steamborg, I didn't think he'd be the best choice for a non-Ramos, non-Hoffman crew. I may have to give him a try with the Viks, though. What Vanessa really keeps looking like to me is more reason to play brawls. Pay the penalty for the Viks as a second master, but bring along Vanessa and an Arcanist friend in a Guild, Resser, Neverborn, or 10T crew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicKeen Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 Although I like the Steamborg, I didn't think he'd be the best choice for a non-Ramos, non-Hoffman crew. I may have to give him a try with the Viks, though. Other than clockwork traps in my TT lists, he is the first construct I've tried (aside from running Joss with the Viks, but with perfect machine, he can't really count). I had no complaints. He's tough and he's scary, pulling attention away from the Viks (which is great). I play against a Resser mostly and Vanessa can really mess with the corpses I'd be giving him with a living crew. We haven't been playing brawls recently, but I'd love to stick the girls and a robot friend into a shooty McCabe Guild list. Treasure Hunters galore! I can't wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EntrepeNinja Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 What I love about the idea of the S.B.E. in a Viks crew is it gives them a (more) controllable terrifying model, with some resilience shenanigans, and a fantastic combat rating paired 7. Not to mention it's got flurry AND melee expert- if this thing starts next to a model, it's gonna hurt. The terrifying is the icing for me though- because short of Killjoy or Jackdaw (which are spooky for control). Even if it rarely goes off, when it does I'll finally get to use sisters in victory, make 'em both pop over to their enemy and make a strike each. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_was_like_you Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 Went to make a list with the SBE in it, but he's AWOL in the Crew Creator as an option for Vanessa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgarbonzo Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 Maybe because of his "Complex Machine" since he counts as both a living and a construct... my guess or he just got overlooked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adran Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 Maybe because of his "Complex Machine" since he counts as both a living and a construct... my guess or he just got overlooked Good call. I can't remember off hand if her rules specify Non-living, in which case the Steamborg executioner can't be selected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 her rules do specify non-living only I'm afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EntrepeNinja Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 Weak... relegating "Sisters in Victory" to the third string ability bench again. :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adran Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 Have you looked at Ami No Zaki? Its a Merc with Terrifying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 so is jack daw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pie Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 The Freikkorps Specialist can also force morale checks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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