Razora911 Posted July 26, 2016 Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 I also don't see all the hype for the über damage, I'm just saying the synergies might be there, as we haven't seen upgrades/new models yet. I do agree that she so far seems kinda bland (as Lady J), but she might provide a decent curveball, to throw your opponent off his game, as he might be teching for a summoner when you declare Ressurectionists. Unless ofc you play single master. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asrian Posted July 26, 2016 Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 25 minutes ago, Razora911 said: I also don't see all the hype for the über damage, I'm just saying the synergies might be there, as we haven't seen upgrades/new models yet. I do agree that she so far seems kinda bland (as Lady J). But she might pprovide a decent curveball, to throw your opponent off his game, as he might be teching for a summoner when you declare Ressurectionists. Unless ofc you play single master. That is actually the main reason I'm picking her up. I'm not going for her as an all out power house, as I feel she will be able to apply constant pressure with moderate sized damage overall, but that's a personal opinion. Rather, I'm picker her up as another tool in the Resser faction to keep my opponent on their toes as well as an alternative to Seamus (whom I enjoy) as a damage dealing Master for things like Reckoning, Marked for Death, and Make Them Suffer. I'm also going off the premise that with her extended range with corpse marker uses she will be good in things like Turf War/Interference, and Guard the Stash to help control or threaten areas. Time will tell though how effective she and her crew can be though in anything, and until the book comes out and we get some games in no one can really say for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valhallan42nd Posted July 26, 2016 Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 Reva excites me on the molecular level. She's a wild card that brings a certain anti-glass cannon tech to the faction. I can't wait. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Roy Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 What models do people think would fit best thematically with Reva? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asrian Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 2 minutes ago, Mr_Roy said: What models do people think would fit best thematically with Reva? Honestly, going off the premise that she is a pure damage master, then probably build crews like any other damage master...toward scheme related things while she does the heavy lifting. Scheme runners (crooligans/necropunks) to start, plus her box crew, maybe a Dead Doxy or a Belle for movement tricks to move the enemy closer to corpse markers, etc. That's my plan for the first few games I play with her anyway. I'll adjust my crew from there after I see her in action. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinnamon Bear Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 The Forgotten Marshal to help keep Vincent company is also thematic, I feel. He doesn't really seem to have any synergy off the top of my head other than just being a pretty resilient utility piece/ranged attack in resser/weird scheme runner. But probably Anna, The Forgotten Marshal, Crooligans, and Carrion Emissary would be the ones I'd think seem to fit both thematically and mechanically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asrian Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 Don't forget Heyreddin. I've been using him in conjunction with Anna quite a bit recently to good effect. He's a good Melee model (decent ranged as well) who has a 4 that puts a Flip on other models damaged in the area. Run him into combat and then have Anna, who doesn't randomize, fire away. It also helps her get moderate/severe damage more often, especially if she focuses, to ensure that she can summon Mindless Zombies or Seishen at the target (on the trigger). This has helped quite a bit with me recently playing Seamus considering he likes his corpses for a few reasons. The same should hold true for Reva. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrflamme Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 I think the Tormented undead (see: Drowned, Crooked Men, etc) could also be thematic, but can't put my finger on why. Maybe she gives them the respect and understanding they are bereft of? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katadder Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 10 hours ago, Fetid Strumpet said: I don't think its Pre cuddle Levi dmg at all. How can it not be: levi =range 12, 2/3/4 cant be reduced reva = range upto 21, 3/4/5 cant be reduced when playing levi the average damage per attack is 3 (as I doubt you have a handful of severes for damage and hitting) with RJ being 6 tops when playing reva average damage per attack is 4 with RJ being 8 tops. or if you hit weak on everything she still equals levis average damage output people said that levi was consistent in giving out damage as it couldnt be reduced, Reva will be the same, difference is she can get around df triggers by targeting wp, or just target the lower stat. and if you have a problem with corpse markers she has a 13" melee threat range of her own (19" if she 0 actions to a closer corpse marker then charges) Reva is going to be a tough master to face and will be a consistent damage dealer (much as levi was/is) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myyrä Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 Normally moderate damage is far from being the average damage. Also, it isn't going to be trivial to get the corpse markers to perfect positions for attacking, unless your intended target is close enough for you to summon a corpse candle next to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengt Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 16 minutes ago, katadder said: How can it not be Ca 7 is much more reliable than Ca 6. Choosing Df/Wp will help some, but pre cuddle Leve still have the edge when it comes to landing a hit against most models. Also, moderate is not average for a damage flip. It's not even average for an unmodified flip (which would be common for pre cuddle Leve) since there are more weak cards than severe, but it's somewhat closer. Leve also ignores HtW, keeping his pre cuddle average just below moderate, but it will sink Reva further into weak. And finally Leve can ignore SS prevention when going after a valuable target (though Reva could take Decaying Aura I guess, but it's 2 SS and an upgrade slot, not to mention she already used a slot to ignore damage reduction). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wake of Godzilla Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 14 hours ago, Daysleeper said: The last part could not be that easy as she can only use LOS from corpsemarkers for attack-actions and the corpse-explosion-thingy is a tactical with a range of "only" 8 Absolutely - but at HT 3 and unimpeded she can probably move to be close enough late game if its worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khaiden Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 Yin that puts -flipp on WP duels will set up for a sweet Life Drain attack, Sure its not expunge but what is. Cant wait to see what the upgrades realy do and how her crew works. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katadder Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 13 hours ago, Fetid Strumpet said: 2 hours ago, Bengt said: Ca 7 is much more reliable than Ca 6. Choosing Df/Wp will help some, but pre cuddle Leve still have the edge when it comes to landing a hit against most models. Also, moderate is not average for a damage flip. It's not even average for an unmodified flip (which would be common for pre cuddle Leve) since there are more weak cards than severe, but it's somewhat closer. Leve also ignores HtW, keeping his pre cuddle average just below moderate, but it will sink Reva further into weak. And finally Leve can ignore SS prevention when going after a valuable target (though Reva could take Decaying Aura I guess, but it's 2 SS and an upgrade slot, not to mention she already used a slot to ignore damage reduction). Which is why I said even weak damage reva is matching levis average (as he generally averages 9 if all 3 hit), however Reva has the potential for even more than him. yes 6 is lower than 7, but she also has less worry about cover, or combat etc so swings both ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_havoc Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 What I do like is, given her Ht, she poses a threat on the table wherever a Corpse Marker is dropped. It means that she offers pretty great board control late game when positioning often outweighs dealing with direct threats. I very much like the fact that she has Crow Triggers but that they are more corner case and won't stop the rest of the crew from going wild with Crows. I think Muhahaha! will be very useful with her as well as Decaying Aura which to me sounds good as she has some viable options between her Upgrades and generics for differing play styles. I like Life Drain but interested to see how effective it is, I suppose 5 is the usual difference between degrees of success so it may not be as corner case as I'm thinking. It means cheating just within range of a is not the best strategy, especially if she's combo'd Decaying Aura and no reduction. I like that she has a place effect that ignores LoS, it means she will very reliably be able to get out of trouble or reposition to see Corpses elsewhere. I reckon Mortimer is going to be stellar with her. The ability to drop Corpses with his Ml 7 shovel fairly easily and keep models pinned there while being very survivable will make him very useful. He is slow but Doxies can remedy that. The Emissary who, as said above, can use the Shards to get Ht 2 corpses in the enemy's face pretty efficiently will work pretty well. I've been wondering if the new Masters will get Emissary Upgrades actually. Does anyone know? Toshiro could also be very effective as he can use up unwanted Corpses for Summons or buff existing Minions. Using Anna to shoot some Mindless Zombies around if she gets lucky could be quite effective too, and good for keeping Reva from being pushed or moved around. This is mostly speculative as her crew may add a lot of synergy but from her card it seems like she's not too one-dimensional like Lady J, if just for the fact that she's faster, can hit at range, and can decide between Df or Wp. She's also got some movement tricks which aren't mind blowing but give her some edge over being just a beater. Interested to see how her Upgrades and box add some more synergy. P.S. I like the whole nun/necromancer theme behind her. Nuncromancer? I would like to see the inspiration aspect of her bio reflected more though in her rules, perhaps her Upgrades will accomplish that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengt Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 1 hour ago, chris_havoc said: I've been wondering if the new Masters will get Emissary Upgrades actually. Does anyone know? They have said that there won't be any now, possibly next book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadeton Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 3 hours ago, chris_havoc said: P.S. I like the whole nun/necromancer theme behind her. Nuncromancer? I would like to see the inspiration aspect of her bio reflected more though in her rules, perhaps her Upgrades will accomplish that. She's not a nun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTrans Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 8 hours ago, Kadeton said: She's not a nun. Seems to be people have fallen into the .....habit..... of calling her that, due to what she is wearing ;). 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D_acolyte Posted July 28, 2016 Report Share Posted July 28, 2016 14 hours ago, TheTrans said: Seems to be people have fallen into the .....habit..... of calling her that, due to what she is wearing ;). That was painful. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudgeDread Posted July 28, 2016 Report Share Posted July 28, 2016 i also thought she was a nun, but it's just a rich ladies fancy cloak, she might have adopted the look due to Vincent since he was/is a exorcist. Might be some twisted weird back story there **nudge nudge @Aaron** whispering to her while she was locked in the attic or something. @chris_havoc although a few masters don't have a special conflux upgrade for them, I seem to remember the general upgrade that comes with the C. emissary was pretty amazing looking with Reva. don't have them in front of me though. @Aaron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huntroll Posted July 28, 2016 Report Share Posted July 28, 2016 3 minutes ago, JudgeDread said: i also thought she was a nun, but it's just a rich ladies fancy cloak, she might have adopted the look due to Vincent since he was/is a exorcist. Might be some twisted weird back story there **nudge nudge @Aaron** whispering to her while she was locked in the attic or something. @chris_havoc although a few masters don't have a special conflux upgrade for them, I seem to remember the general upgrade that comes with the C. emissary was pretty amazing looking with Reva. don't have them in front of me though. @Aaron Nathan said a while ago when somebody suggested a shotgun-wielding wild west preacher as an idea for a model that Wyrd's policy is to avoid references to religion altogether to not offend anyone's beliefs, so we won't get anything more than Exorcists who do not carry any real life religious imagery for this reason. So yeah, she looks like a nun, you might even call her a nun, but she is definitely not a nun. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudgeDread Posted July 28, 2016 Report Share Posted July 28, 2016 what if her corpse candles sacrifice themselves to give target enemy model a condition that allow Reva to use THEM as a corpse marker for the purposes of attack actions?!?!?!?! @MrDeathTrout it could be called "of things to come" or "unavoidable fate".... mind blown!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReDevil Posted July 31, 2016 Report Share Posted July 31, 2016 I was excited That she was evil zombie nun. And we get more of them alike. But yeh still good. "Nathan said a while ago when somebody suggested a shotgun-wielding wild west preacher as an idea for a model that Wyrd's policy is to avoid references to religion altogether to not offend anyone's beliefs" It's a little sad, too. Religions have a lot of interesting characters and fairy tales. Which of the twist from Wyrd, was able to grow to something cool and wicked. But there is no reason for grumbling. I like more available characters, than I will be able to comprehend in my life spin :). And nothing prevents me, when I find some time. To built my own team of "Nuns Dead Marshals" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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