Brewmaster Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 *crying arm flail run to listen to Emo albums* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMills Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 Disappointed that their is no brewmaster till after Feb at the earliest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daemonkin Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 Nephilim boxed set for me? Yes please! Any other potential support box sets with 1 large and 2 medium models in it? Rather than just 3 rotten belles/marshals/tots etc? D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTP Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 I wonder whats in the Marcus and Ramos boxes, both more expensive then the other starters (this is not a whine) maybe Cojo sneaks in to make the Marcus box the same as the art, and maybe Joss joins Howard in the Ramos box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 Until we have a view of the actual contents of the boxes it's hard to form a meaningful opinion on the value they represent. ---------- Post added at 09:39 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:38 AM ---------- Everytime you say that a gremlin dies. guess I need to say that a lot more then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jondoe297 Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 Could the nephilim box contain 2 youngs and a mature plus the options to make barbarous out of one of the youngs? perhaps? Be pretty sweet for the lilith players who didn't wanna pick up the lilth box set? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daemonkin Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 For Ramos possibly: Ramos Brass Arachnid Electrical Creation Steam Arachnids Howard Joss Any of the above could potentially make the cut. As we have seen from the other plastics it's Master, henchman, totem and 3 other minions. D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edonil Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 For Ramos, I think that we'll be seeing Brass Arachnid, Electrical Creation and Joss, similar to the Vik kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daemonkin Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 @Edonil: That's pricey as it stands then. 7 models for $50? The Viks had 7 for $45 and they are similar sizes but then who knows what we can expect. Time will tell. D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daemonkin Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 A better question is what's in the Lone Marshal box for $35? Interesting.... D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edonil Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 Oh, I have no idea how many spiders there'll be. I'm just saying that I expect those models, not Howard Langston. Or, at least, that's what I'm hoping, since I already have two Miss Steps, one for Ramos and one for Levi...don't need a third copy of that particular Rare 1 model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daemonkin Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 Probably right Edonil. Looking forward to seeing the Cerberus in the Marcus box since that will then influence the design for the Rogue Necro D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edonil Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 Honestly, for all that I don't have anything in the faction, I think Pandora's box is the one I'm looking forward to the most. Probably because it'll be my first Neverborn starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r4st4f4n Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 (edited) I wonder whats in the Marcus and Ramos boxes, both more expensive then the other starters (this is not a whine) maybe Cojo sneaks in to make the Marcus box the same as the art, and maybe Joss joins Howard in the Ramos box? quote For Ramos, I think that we'll be seeing Brass Arachnid, Electrical Creation and Joss, similar to the Vik kit. Mmm, I don't find a single EC worth messing up a box, since: It comes from an upgrade of your choice, not binding. It still will have a 3x Box, since it's now hirable and no more rare 1(and I don't think you'll be requested to buy 3+ times a 50$ box, to have more of them xD). So to be a vaguely useful number, in the box there could only be a trio of them, and since it'd be an easily droppable adjunct, I don't think they'd be there at all. Obviously IMHO. Edited October 31, 2013 by r4st4f4n Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagingRodian Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 I'm a bit surprised at the cost of some of them. Fuhatsu and the Lone Marshal are $40 and $35 each? Ouch. For a plastic mini, that is getting pricey again. Wonder if they are not plastic then? I am feeling your pain. I also appreciate metal models as well as plastic ones, and I have heard the excuse about having to switch to plastic to keep costs down. But that simply isn't true. Even if the Nephilim set is 2 young and 1 mature for $40 that is more expensive than metal- you can currently buy excellent versions of those in metal for much less at retail price. The Mature is $16 and a two pack of Young is $16.50- total price, $32.50, or $7.50 less than "cheaper" plastic. Fuhatsu, even if he has three extra guys on his base, works out to $10 a head. That is equal than or more than many of the metal miniatures in the Wyrd store. You could say that it could be justified due to a "scenic base", but keep in mind that Jaakuna is on a solid 50mm base of awesomeness for only $18. The Lone Marshal is $35? That is equal to the cost of Levi's mounted metal avatar and the Pale Rider, and more expensive than the $30 Dead Rider. Unless there are multiple models in that box it is badly overpriced. Pandora at $40? The current metal set is $33. Even if the new plastic one includes an extra model that pretty much just breaks the models even with metals. This is especially irritating as I have stuck up for metals in the past, and I have had the whole "they needed to move to plastics to keep prices down" bit used on me. Looking at the pricing on these sets pretty much proves that argument to be nonsense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phototoxin Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 Are Wyrd 'pulling a games workshop' ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavicusPrime Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 Favoring Plastics vs. Metal based on cost of the models is a weird argument. The up front cost of going to plastics is pretty steep, depending on the complexity of the mold. Once you've got the mold made the cost of pumping out each individual unit is cheap, but unless you're going to be producing LOTS of them does the up front cost spread out to make the models actually cheaper to produce. A skirmish game like Malifaux is not going to be selling huge quantities of any particular model. So If they're breaking even with the change over in material/process, I'd call that a pretty good deal (especially if you prefer plastic to metal). The prices on the metals are likely to decrease further as the plastic replacements start hitting the shelves and shops start trying to offload the "obsolete" models. So if you really like the older sculpts, it's going to be a great time to pick them up. -DavicusPrime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mythicFOX Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 (edited) I'm fairly sure it was said at the time of the book four metals that the price increases for metal weren't being put through to old releases in the same way as new metal. With this in mind the final metals (book4) are more expensive than those in the earlier books. For example a Warden is $18.00, compared to the slightly larger Guardian $12.50. Pale Rider is $35.00 and the larger Peacekeeper $25.00. Perdita Avatar is $45, so a $40 Fuhatsu is not out of line with existing metals. Edited October 31, 2013 by mythicFOX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Caroland Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 (edited) Honestly, you keep going on as if you know our business and state your background as a reason for XYZ. You don't. I could call you out on another dozen things you haven't a clue or privy to, but unless you're in the office with these decisions, you don't know why or what. You're opinion of course is your own, that being said, this is three threads now where you feel the need to voice it, over and over. You've been heard. Didn't make a difference in the plastic or the pricing, or going back to metal. The Mature Neph alone is MUCH bigger than the metal one ever was. Same with the Young Nephs that are in that package. You keep pointing at the metal figures and their prices - we haven't bothered changing their prices because it's stock that is there and was put in quite some time back. We could easily go back and update the prices to reflect where they 'should' be at the moment, instead, we continue to sell them till we're done. While I understand your love for metal - you're beating a dead horse over it. We're not going back. The prices aren't changing. If you feel that it's a bad deal and you're not getting your monies worth, then I would very much suggest looking into another game. Fahatsu - that is three figures and quite a bit of work sculpting and mold wise. It's also a Rare 1 figure. It gets sold once to a potential customer - not multiple times as say perhaps Bells or even Death Marshals. Pricing does come into affect for that - it has to. Edited October 31, 2013 by Nathan Caroland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decker_cky Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 You know....you could win us all over by showing us the 3d sculpt of the Nephilim. :1_Happy_Puppet2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Caroland Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 I'll have them put the box and renders up with the release schedule by early next week so that everyone can see what they are getting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavicusPrime Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 ...If you feel that it's a bad deal and you're not getting your monies worth, then I would very much suggest looking into another game. And, I suspect, finding the prices no better, if not worse. :-P I'm playing Malifaux because of being priced out of a different company's games and for the merits of the game itself. Compared to the rest of the industry, the pricing is fair and the relatively low model counts this game requires means a very reasonable cost of entry. For the cost of just keeping my rulebooks up to date with a certain company's game I used to play, I got into Malifaux with three different masters and a variety of add on models. -DavicusPrime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwarbosss Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 Sad no Gremlins till February, maybe longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setoth Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 I dunno, the price points of these releases doesn't really seem that off to me. In comparison: Infinity with metal models A box starter set: Six models, about 50 USD http://infinitythegame.com/store/en/nomadas/773-corregidor-jurisdictional-command-2805620004166.html http://infinitythegame.com/store/en/haqqislam/292-hassassin-bahram-2804380002276.html Single infantry models will run you about about 12.50 USD http://infinitythegame.com/store/en/nomadas/333-tomcats-2805250001597.html More unique models of the same size run slightly more expensive at around 14 USD http://infinitythegame.com/store/en/nomadas/732-moderators-multi-sniper-2805580003865.html Large intricate models will run a lot more. The Iguana (which I want to buy and paint even though I am awful at painting and don't play Infinity...but man is that sexy) will set you back about 60 USD (though it does come with a pilot) http://infinitythegame.com/store/en/nomadas/835-iguana-squadron-2805650004389.html Similar model, 55 USD. http://www.infinitythegame.com/infinity/en/2013/miniatures/anaconda-squad/ MERCS with metal models Probably the cheapest overall skirmish game to get into since you buy a starter pack and maybe two models more, tops, per faction. Box starter set 6 models and dice, 65 USD http://store.mercsminis.com/products/fcc-black-ops-deal Individual models, 10 USD http://store.mercsminis.com/collections/fcc Dark Ages with metal models Starter box varies greatly. 15 models for 60 USD https://www.coolminiornot.com/shop/catalog/product/view/id/7981/s/dragyri-warband-14/category/141/ 6 models for 40 USD https://www.coolminiornot.com/shop/forsaken-warband-6.html 8 models for 60 USD https://www.coolminiornot.com/shop/catalog/product/view/id/7985/s/outcast-warband-8/category/141/ Prices for individual models vary greatly. http://dark-age.com/shop/ DUST Tactics/Warfare plastics DUST Tactics is varied, with unit boxes of 5 models ranging from 20 USD to 30 USD. Bare in mind this is the old FFG page (it now belongs to the guys that do Flames of War) and this is pre-price hike which Paolo Parente and crew have told everyone to expect. http://store.fantasyflightgames.com/showproducts.cfm?FullCat=233 I'm not seeing that much of a huge price disparity compared to companies like GW. Plastics seem to be cheaper on a per-model basis than metal for comparably-sized sculpts, though I'm not looking too hard into it. Nothing in Malifaux's price range tops the highest price points of games like Infinity or Dark Ages. Of course, different companies employ different strategies. The Dark Ages box with 15 models, for example, is clearly just an attempt at getting you to buy into the game at about 4 USD per model. So there's concepts of loss leaders to take into account. Most companies seem to price their models in accordance to performance, since "better" or more "elite" models seem to outprice their more basic compatriots. All in all, I don't really think what Wyrd has said about it's change to plastics seems out of sync with what the market is presenting the gaming community, at least at a quick glance. But I mostly just quickly google'd these during lunch break, so that's all open to discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fritz the cat Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 The prices seem pretty consistant with what we've seen, some of the odd prices for models coming in the next few months may make more sense when we see the sculpts. Personally, If the quality of sculpts stays high, and the cost stays consistant im ok. The design of the game itself lends itself to be a cheaper game even if the prices are comparable to other games in the industry. All in all, id prefer it to be cheaper, but if staying on par with other companies prices keeps the business side healthy and the company growing it seems fine to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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