Viruk Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 Kickstarter? I'll second that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRC Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 Due to the way copyright laws work, I don't think he's allowed to sell (or even give away) these models without Wyrd's permission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mako Posted October 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 (edited) He's right, I can't sell them as it infringes Wyrds IP and I have no intention of trying to annoy Wyrd! Nathan himself confirmed licensing wouldn't happen earlier in the thread, and rightly so, it's a real nightmare to deal with and keep control over and not worth the trouble. And giving away large numbers would also come under the same bracket I think, although I'm not sure which set of laws applies if I'm not being paid for them, but it's best to not take chances. Plus that would be very expensive for me *wink* So they're all for me *grin* Edited October 30, 2012 by Mako Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeusInnomen Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 Regardless, fantastic work as always Mako. You have a real talent for sculpting and attention to detail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimzig Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 He's right, I can't sell them as it infringes Wyrds IP and I have no intention of trying to annoy Wyrd! Nathan himself confirmed licensing wouldn't happen earlier in the thread, and rightly so, it's a real nightmare to deal with and keep control over and not worth the trouble. And giving away large numbers would also come under the same bracket I think, although I'm not sure which set of laws applies if I'm not being paid for them, but it's best to not take chances. Plus that would be very expensive for me *wink* So they're all for me *grin* haha all i could think of is a quote from jurrassic park when i read this. "Nature...will find a way" -Dr. Malcolm. O.o But I kid, wouldnt want you stepping on my benevolent overlords toes. But I will say, I'd maim and murder Seamus style to be front in line to get a set if ever it was allowed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mako Posted October 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 Thanks to all of you that have posted so far, it's really good to see people liking my efforts. Makes it seem even more worthwhile! I'll make sure I post up the set I cast when I make them, and when I've painted them too. And if I do any more, I'll show them off too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Skies Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 *Cough* Death Marsupials *Cough* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mako Posted October 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 Oh, they'll get done. Eventually. I just need to be able to get the ears right at the moment, which is proving tricky! Although the same issues apply with casting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_was_like_you Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 (edited) Not that I'm recommending it in this particular case, but the IP infringement issues can usually be sidestepped, as there are plenty of knockoff products for everything, miniatures games in this case. It's usually just a matter of not marketing them in any way, shape, or form that mentions the source intellectual property. Take, for instance, those objective counters that just so happen to be scrap, corpse, treasue, wagon, etc., but are not Wyrd licensed, even though they're quite obviously for Malifaux. I just find it odd that they'd get behind and produce that amazing new fate deck that started by a poster here on the forums, but wouldn't want some fresh takes on the models. Edited October 30, 2012 by i_was_like_you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wings Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 They look awesome all together. I can't wait to see how they cast up and your paint job as that will turn them from jaw dropping to phenomenal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mako Posted October 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 I just find it odd that they'd get behind and produce that amazing new fate deck that started by a poster here on the forums, but wouldn't want some fresh takes on the models. New models are really complicated to sort out. Even leaving aside the licensing or payment or whatever between me and Wyrd, these pieces were made to be hand cast in resin. They quite possibly wouldn't cast in plastic brilliantly. Then there's the issue of making up new cards, getting the moulds made, the problem of what's already in their plans for the next year or two, whether it would conflict with other stuff, and so on. So it's not very easy to fit them into the system. I've never really been a fan of the blatant IP infringement that uses technicalities to avoid legal issues. I work in research, so IP is kind of crucial. Someone decides to play clever with it, and you end up in a real mess quite fast. So there's no way I'd be prepared to sneak around the system, it's just not the way I work. Plenty of others do as you pointed out, but I won't! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omenbringer Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 I just find it odd that they'd get behind and produce that amazing new fate deck that started by a poster here on the forums, but wouldn't want some fresh takes on the models. I would venture that the reason for the "disparity" is due to controlling the IP. A player designed Fate Deck doesn't impact the story line of the game at all, a new player designed crew definately could. Additionally once this precedent was set Wyrd could quickly find it losing control of the game completely. Mako says it as well in this excerpt below (though I disagree about being worth the trouble for these particular gremlins). it's a real nightmare to deal with and keep control over and not worth the trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_was_like_you Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 Regardless, I still would like a set, should you ever get them into production. Whether I used them as proxies for Lady J and company, or used them as proxies for other greenskins, would be fine enough. I wouldn't need them to have their own gremlinized versions of Lady J and company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LupusFerreus Posted November 5, 2012 Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 I think you need a better security system for your house, expect an invasion from Malifaux players soon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_was_like_you Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 I think you need a better security system for your house, expect an invasion from Malifaux players soon! Toronto would be a fun road trip... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwitchyPenguin Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 I'm in! I'll bring the cheetos! (but seriously, put me down for one of these sets. I would pay in copious amounts of string cheese) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePandaDirector Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Seen Green Justice, but haven't seen the rest till now. Great job. Perhaps if people really wanted some, then Mako can make a few sets (however many is cost effective). Then people could bid on them in an auction and the profits go to charity. Wyrd's name doesn't need to be anywhere near it, but I don't think they'd mind a little positive karma thrown their way Again, great work. Now build me a Panda! =P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mako Posted November 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Now the charity thing isn't a bad idea at all! I'd be prepared to give that a wing (even seeing if i can soak up the casting costs to max out the donation), but I'd still feel bad without Wyrd's blessing! Oh, and I've got them stashed safely away somewhere so you wouldn't find them if you raided my home, although there's a small pile of other painted and sculpted stuff there to pinch *wink* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omenbringer Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Perhaps if people really wanted some, then Mako can make a few sets (however many is cost effective). Then people could bid on them in an auction and the profits go to charity. Wyrd's name doesn't need to be anywhere near it, but I don't think they'd mind a little positive karma thrown their way Except that it is a clear violation of Wyrd's IP (and there is ample evidence on this site to prove that claim in a court) and Nathan has already said very cleary that Wyrd will not purchase or grant a License for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mako Posted November 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 Woah, easy, relax Omen! Nothing's happening with it, i wouldn't do anything that Wyrd didn't directly and clearly say they were ok with, and there's no way I'd let it get anywhere close to a court of law. I have far too much respect for the guys there and no intention of trying to get clever with IP law. It was a nice idea, that's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omenbringer Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 (edited) Wasn't directed at you Mako (and definately not intended to carry the heavy tone that after re-reading it again, does). Was just trying to re-emphasize the earlier post from Nathan. Believe me I want a set as much as others, they are beautiful (still waiting on seeing them painted). Edited November 10, 2012 by Omenbringer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xKoBiEx Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 Excellent crew. I love Wyrd's Ophelia, too. Being that I play Warhammer Fantasy Goblins, the Ophelia crew was what brought me to Malifaux. I saw the minis and had to have them. a couple years later, I'm starting to play the game. Would love to see more Gremlin crews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkingInBlack Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 (edited) @Mako have you thought about making the Showcroix, could be a interresting project Showcroix -> Edited December 30, 2012 by WalkingInBlack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LupusFerreus Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 Think of the frillyness! Looks like quite a job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Shine Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 Hehehe, love it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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