Jonas Albrecht Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 Players with a bad hand tend to look at that hand for a very long time. When you decide not to look at your hand when you choose not to Cheat Fate, it tells me you likely have a $$$$$$$$ty hand. Rearranging your hand is going to tell me exactly when you're out of good Cheating cards. Those are the big ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edonil Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 I'm guilty of two. Hadn't even thought of how much that broadcasts...heh. Maybe I should learn to play poker...although it doesn't help that I know my own tell, so I'm sure it's not that complicated for other people to pick up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Feelgood Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 :+fateNow see, if I am waiting for the right opportunity the highest cards i draw will stay in my hand and i will set it down until i need them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Albrecht Posted August 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 :+fateNow see, if I am waiting for the right opportunity the highest cards i draw will stay in my hand and i will set it down until i need them. Yes, my example really only works when there's an actual choice to be made regarding whether or not to cheat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ispep Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 What if someone is always shuffling their hand, good or bad? Especially in the most obnoxious way possible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Albrecht Posted August 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 What if someone is always shuffling their hand, good or bad? Especially in the most obnoxious way possible? Likely one of two things. A) They're trying to throw you off. They feel like they have something to hide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukrocky Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 Ermmmm. I do all 3 of those with a good hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Albrecht Posted August 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 Ermmmm. I do all 3 of those with a good hand Everyone thinks they're the exception to common tells. Case in point, the third one involves having a good hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMills Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 I have a tendancy to put my hand into suits then high to low with in that suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soundwave Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 I, too, tend to sort my hand. I know it's a nasty habit, but on the other hand we don't really play that kind of ultra-serious games, so I doubt it really matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicpockets Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 One of the first things I tell new players is to avoid the natural reaction to sort your hand low to high / left to right - just keep them as they are dealt to you, don't sort them at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 I play with my hand face up, so my opponent knows how he is going to lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumb Luck Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 I play with my hand face up, so my opponent knows how he is going to lose. Ha! I almost choked on my cereal from laughter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mythicFOX Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 It makes a major difference knowing your opponent is out of good cards. The number of players that tell you or give you tell is quite phenomenal. Another thing to look at is what a player discards before drawing; discarding moderate cards normally means they're fishing for a suit. Discarding the Black Joker can mean they're planning to make a big move this turn. On that note look out for a players who have cards left in hand but don't cheat when they would normally want to (indicating a poor hand) but then keep hold of one card when they discard, normally indicating it's a black joker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicpockets Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 It makes a major difference knowing your opponent is out of good cards. The number of players that tell you or give you tell is quite phenomenal. Another thing to look at is what a player discards before drawing; discarding moderate cards normally means they're fishing for a suit. Discarding the Black Joker can mean they're planning to make a big move this turn. On that note look out for a players who have cards left in hand but don't cheat when they would normally want to (indicating a poor hand) but then keep hold of one card when they discard, normally indicating it's a black joker. *notes this down ready for Leeds* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Albrecht Posted August 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 normally indicating it's a black joker. Or they have the Red Joker, and save it for fear of needing it later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentat_Canis Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 I agree that I do have some big tells on really good and really bad hands on the ones in the middle I do a much better job about is it a bunch of 9/10 or is a bunch of 6/7. I also think it can be a very good strategy to show your opponent if you have have black joker in your hand because it can make them waste cards early in a turn because they know if they are hit they are hit. Not always a good idea but vs the right people its devastating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alviaran Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 Likely one of two things. A) They're trying to throw you off. They feel like they have something to hide. It's a common tick among competitive Magic players. It hides the layout of your hand and shows your opponent you are always looking over your hand as well. Even when you have absolutely nothing worth playing, it's good because it makes them think you are looking over your options. When you DO have something, it lets you look over your options. The worst part is that after doing that for years, someone hands you cards and you start shuffling them through your hand without noticing. (Customer hands me a credit card and gift cards, I start doing this) So yes, throwing you off. People do it though BECAUSE it is good. People don't do it in professional poker because you have TWO cards to keep track of (much easier than a hand full of cards) which have very little information associated with them and you don't have to constantly look at your hand to see what you have expended and not. Then again, this is a community which regularly sees people wearing sunglasses and hats indoors to minimize tells so I think I'm going to put them in a different category. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProdigalPunk Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 For the most part Malifuax is a game that needs to be played offensively. I think if you start making predictions about what people have in their hands and playing to that, you are going to lay off the offense a little too much. All in all I think it is much better to make them use their hand in a way that is beneficial to you then worry what is in it. If they have a god hand you are screwed anyhow, knowing will not help, and if they have a crappy hand, not taking it to them because you are trying to figure out what they have is going to play to their advantage. You should also be able to figure out what they are doing but what they play. In some regards all armies play the same way. If I keep some cards at the start of the draw, those are good cards for one reason or another, most likely high cards, but occasionally suited cards. People should always be fishing for suits. You can tell what a player needs by the model cards more then what he drops from his hand. If you want to focus on my hand by all means, I will focus on the game. Knowing your opponents hand will give you a little bit of an advantage, but I still feel I could win hand revealed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nilus Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 I play with my hand face up, so my opponent knows how he is going to lose. So you are playing Avatar Perdita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nilus Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 Or they have the Red Joker, and save it for fear of needing it later. I don't know if its fear. Generally I find people hold the Red joker for a damage flip. I rearrange my cards and when I catch myself doing it I will intentionally do it again to throw my opponent off(if they are looking). I also hoot and holler and do a dance when I get a good hand, but I don't think that is really a tell per say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chanst Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 Yeah, I do the Magic shuffle thing at the beginning of every turn and usually after I play a card. Force of habit I reckon. I agree that a lot can be learned by how long and how often a player looks at their hand, which it why I almost always hold mine when I am not moving a model around. I have forgot to even look at my cards before because it was on the table and not in my hand. A couple of times it cost my duels, so I try to force myself not to leave them on the table. You can usually tell when a person has a big card they are saving for a specific purpose in their hand. That being said, I can't think of a single time where knowing that impacted my decision. Usually my decision to cheat or not only changes when the opponent has a chance to cheat first. After seeing the choice they make, I can make a better decision. Trying to predict if they are going to use the big card in their hand or not before I use my big card is usually a lesson in futility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haystacks Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 me, I make false tells, its really fun, just a small smile at at a poor hand, when your opponent has finished something, grin just make him think "why is he grinning?" Ah, good ol' head games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Albrecht Posted August 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 but I still feel I could win hand revealed. Put that to the test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Albrecht Posted August 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 I don't know if its fear. I'm talking specifically about Too Good To Use syndrome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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