DeadManTalking Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 Just now, Jinn said: I saw that. 8" isnt the change needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrflamme Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 It also lost the clause to ignore damage reduction, so Armor is now a counterplay to it. I don't think the Rider change is unbalancing. Their reduction and damage tracks still take a bit to spin up, and you can use stuff like blasts and other non-targeting effects (Misery auras) to go to work on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tris Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 1 minute ago, ConfuciuSay said: I saw that. 8" isnt the change needed. And reduction possible if I recall correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadManTalking Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 Just now, Tris said: And reduction possible if I recall correctly. If thats true then it's fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trikk Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 13 minutes ago, Rillan said: I think Rider buff is way to big. Now those buffed ones will be must have models. Too tanky for 10 SS. Ty boys Pale Rider is pretty meh if you don`t play McCabe IMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCheadle Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 14 minutes ago, Tris said: Ulix are way better now Implying he wasn't good before. : ) Boy I can't wait for them rematches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brax Jaxon Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 @Aaron is there/could there be a plan to create a second bundle to collate those cards from previous erratas that are not included here? i know there are only a few of those, but may be easier to ascertain correct cards when ordering. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tris Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 1 minute ago, DonCheadle said: Implying he wasn't good before. : ) Good things can still get better 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniello_s Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 21 minutes ago, Tris said: They did get cheaper models this time too, whiskey and mancha for 9 doesn't seem that bad for example? Golem and Mancha are still more expensive than Burt and Franc and won't even stand their competition (still). Their cards would need to be re-writted to get a chance to see them on the table. To be honest same would apply to other models which got cost reduction (except Porkchop - now it is ok choice. For Ulix only but ok ;)). Pigapult, Stuffed Piglets, Emissary and Lenny were missed in this erratfor some reason. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniello_s Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 11 minutes ago, trikk said: Pale Rider is pretty meh if you don`t play McCabe IMHO Or Levi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trikk Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 1 minute ago, daniello_s said: Golem and Mancha are still more expensive than Burt and Franc and won't even stand their competition (still). Their cards would need to be re-writted to get a chance to see them on the table. To be honest same would apply to other models which got cost reduction (except Porkchop - now it is ok choice. For Ulix only but ok ;)). Pigapult, Stuffed Piglets, Emissary and Lenny were missed in this erratfor some reason. I honestly think Golem isn`t far from Burt now. The 3SS difference became 1SS difference which means the Golem is pretty viable IMHO. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Loki- Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, daniello_s said: Pigapult, Stuffed Piglets, Emissary and Lenny were missed in this erratfor some reason. Stuffed Piglets got their errata 6 months ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tris Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 1 minute ago, daniello_s said: Golem and Mancha are still more expensive than Burt and Franc and won't even stand their competition (still). Their cards would need to be re-writted to get a chance to see them on the table. To be honest same would apply to other models which got cost reduction (except Porkchop - now it is ok choice. For Ulix only but ok ;)). Pigapult, Stuffed Piglets, Emissary and Lenny were missed in this erratfor some reason. It brings them closer together and one might consider them if you want to trade some damage (in Burts case not even that much) for more survivability (and potentially additional crew synergy, reactivating golem for example) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 Just now, -Loki- said: Stuffed Piglets got their errata 6 months ago. they did. but because they were cheap activations. Pigapult with stuffed piglets got nerfed hard by collateral damage so it would have been nice to get some love for this synergy. now stuffed piglets are just too expensive as ammo. Not to mention that gg2018 made out activation less powerfull than before so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniello_s Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 Just now, Tris said: It brings them closer together and one might consider them if you want to trade some damage (in Burts case not even that much) for more survivability (and potentially additional crew synergy, reactivating golem for example) Really? Even with the same cost (let's say 8ss for each) I will always choose Burt/Franc over Mancha/Golem. They simply outclass them especially when you add to this equation taxi delivey service (Iron Skeeter). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniello_s Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, Aegnor said: they did. but because they were cheap activations. Pigapult with stuffed piglets got nerfed hard by collateral damage so it would have been nice to get some love for this synergy. now stuffed piglets are just too expensive as ammo. Not to mention that gg2018 made out activation less powerfull than before so Hear, hear! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trikk Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, Aegnor said: they did. but because they were cheap activations. Pigapult with stuffed piglets got nerfed hard by collateral damage so it would have been nice to get some love for this synergy. now stuffed piglets are just too expensive as ammo. Not to mention that gg2018 made out activation less powerfull than before so Pigapult is so unfun to play against I don`t really miss it. You take it to lob Gremlins now. 2SS activations shouldn`t exist in a non-master specific form and with a higher count than 2 As for Burt and Francois - with a Skeeter the cost now is 14SS. The Golem is 9 and has Wk6. I don`t know if thats such a huge deal. Francois still can blow enforcers up but he`s not such a great deal and I don`t think its such a good trade versus experienced players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tris Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 Just now, daniello_s said: Really? Even with the same cost (let's say 8ss for each) I will always choose Burt/Franc over Mancha/Golem. They simply outclass them especially when you add to this equation taxi delivey service (Iron Skeeter). And if you don`t want a Skeeter? Don`t want to start a suicide commando into the enemy lines? Burt + Skeeter is 14, same cost as Golem + Tanuki now, you get fast Burt vs reactivating Golem, Golem also has min 3 (can`t get higher, agreed) and has armor. Not so bad and at least worth a consideration in the new Supply Wagons for example. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 1 minute ago, trikk said: Pigapult is so unfun to play against I don`t really miss it. You take it to lob Gremlins now. 2SS activations shouldn`t exist in a non-master specific form and with a higher count than 2 I have so much fun playing shooting pigapult. maybe its because i was a warhammer battle dwarf player in my youth (6-7th edition). You can up them as ammo with no impact on the activation. Lets have an ability on pigapult saying : if you hire this model stuffed piglets only cost 1-2ss but can't activate' and thats it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoffer Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 As a Gremlin player i think this errata is absolutely ok. Burt, McTavish and Francois were too good for their cost. Mancha for 9ss? Great! Wild boars for 5ss? I can bring six from the shadows right in your face, and while you try to deal with 48 wounds of rage - my Ulix is running his farm. Or maybe my Som'er is turning gremlins into more gremlins... Hard choice to make )) The same with Shinobi and Bushwhackers. They had no chance to see the table for 6ss, but now they can shine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cedar Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, Tris said: Not so bad and at least worth a consideration in the new Supply Wagons for example. Yeah, in Supply Wagons Golem is able to push marker twice as much as Burt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fazza92 Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 No Nerf for decaying aura... So again a year with Reva that ignore all reduction and block the soulstone...good game... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trikk Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, Aegnor said: I have so much fun playing shooting pigapult. maybe its because i was a warhammer battle dwarf player in my youth (6-7th edition). You can up them as ammo with no impact on the activation. Lets have an ability on pigapult saying : if you hire this model stuffed piglets only cost 1-2ss but can't activate' and thats it. I said "against " Just now, Fazza92 said: No Nerf for decaying aura... So again a year with Reva that ignore all reduction and block the soulstone...good game... Reva is a strong Master but I think she`s managable most of the time. Its a bit frustrating but I don`t think its errata-material 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tris Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 Just now, Fazza92 said: No Nerf for decaying aura... So again a year with Reva that ignore all reduction and block the soulstone...good game... You can deal with her, it`s not unbeatable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniello_s Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Tris said: And if you don`t want a Skeeter? Don`t want to start a suicide commando into the enemy lines? Burt + Skeeter is 14, same cost as Golem + Tanuki now, you get fast Burt vs reactivating Golem, Golem also has min 3 (can`t get higher, agreed) and has armor. Not so bad and at least worth a consideration in the new Supply Wagons for example. Yes, but reactivated Golem is still less manoeuvrable than 'flying' Burt/Franc who can take out a key piece of enemy crew easily anywhere on the table ignoring pretty much terrain and models who obstruct narrow corridors. And once the bomb is delivered Skeeter can go for scheme running when opponent have to deal with enemy beater among his crew first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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