RustAndTheCity Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 Which non-master models in guild ignore armour? I know McMourning does and can hand it out. Who has it built in to their card? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadaverousbirth Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 No one has it built in, but the Peacekeeper has it on a Tome trigger. Ryle and the Guardian have the same trigger. Armor ignore is a faction weakness. Our best bet has always been Perdita. Unfortunately the highest armor concentration by faction are the Arcanists, and they pick Mei Fang for that reason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franchute Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 If you play hoffman, you can take Joss who does it as well. Strongarm suit is a good mercenary too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadaverousbirth Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 Just now, Franchute said: If you play hoffman, you can take Joss who does it as well. That is a really good point. Hoff always fixed his slowness. It is worth mentioning that Howard and the Executioners assassinate triggers don't care about armor. Same with burying things in a pine box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alansonchik Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 MacCebe's saber ))) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnomezilla Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 Ryle can't ignore armor, it's the defensive armor trigger he shares with the guardian (and the wardens*) (I didn't want to have any tomes in hand anyway). McCabe the master brings the glowing saber, which makes him able to delegate it to anyone who is in position to use it**. It seems a lock-in that only Perdita can attack at range and ignore armor. Which feels wrong, but then I may have been playing against a certain non-Guild construct with a certain non-Guild upgrade too frequently of late. *which reminds me to paint a silhouette of Abuela Ortega and Izamu the Armor onto PRick--he's been useful lately **"use it"="be slaughtered with extreme prejudice on the activation after McCabe's, while the other warden circles around to line up its shot" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustAndTheCity Posted March 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 I'm thinking about Nellie crews. She can put out some nice damage but I could see her struggling in damage against a crew with lots of armour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franchute Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 21 minutes ago, RustAndTheCity said: I'm thinking about Nellie crews. She can put out some nice damage but I could see her struggling in damage against a crew with lots of armour. Just hire mercenaries. Ronin are perfect for this role. Johan and Taelor have against constructs. The damage by strongarm suit ignores armor on a trigger, as it is the case also for Hans and Bishop. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thstringer Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 In addition to what has been said, Guild does enough damage to ignore armor indirectly. Just start hitting with min damage 5 from pk, lj, or big sexy with a ram or debt and armored models will go down. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 There are times when you really want to ignore armour. Izamu with the grave spirit is armour 4, he doesn't really care about your min 5. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tris Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 Yeah, it`s a completely different thing for Nellie - Aionus, Strongarm Suit, Bishop, Ronin - all these lovely Outcasts who ignore armour on a regular basis, take your pick^^ 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trikk Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 I think if you play vs certain crews you can actually ignore the Arm 4 izamu, especially with Nellie. Slow + push is usually better than armor ignoring. Other ideas as: Nurse + Paralyze, warden + Paralyze and probably a few others. Or you can just take McMourning/Perdita and wreck him in 3 ap The thing I like about Joss though is: he can be Df6, Ml7 and he doesn't rely on triggers so he's very good to machine puppet. Stacking A Debt with Fast nets you min 12 dmg with Fast and being Immune to Conditions from Numb really hampers what your opponent can do. And he ignores HtK also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corn Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 Pathfinder has a trigger on the Musket to ignore armour and h2w. Good damage spread too, especially if you focus for a severe damage and blast onto the Graveyard Spirit 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trikk Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 The issue with the Musket is Sh5. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 23 minutes ago, trikk said: The issue with the Musket is Sh5. Isn't Izamu like df 3 or 4? So not a prob in that particular acenario. The musket is nice if you can get a trap in there. I wonder if Hoffman could enjoy one with the emissary copying that attack with to damage from a mobile toolkit and possibly a higher sh looped in? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trikk Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Yes, he is. But you don't usually know if he will take Izamu and Pathfinder doesn't work well with Belle Lures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludvig Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 2 hours ago, trikk said: Yes, he is. But you don't usually know if he will take Izamu and Pathfinder doesn't work well with Belle Lures You're going to box it anyway so who cares 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thstringer Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 Honestly if im using pathfinder against izamu its for traps not for his gun trigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnomezilla Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 Was reminded of this yesterday: Hoffman can also hire in the soulstone miner, which ignores armor and likes to be buried without the emissary's assistance. Or he can solve the problem indirectly by hiring a large arachnid and having it trigger the target's inability to use its armor altogether, then whacking it with whatever other construct is available. *paints a silhouette of Zoraida onto PRick--he's been very useful lately Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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