SoulG Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 (edited) Just a thought exorcise I plan on doing for every faction. How would you recommend starting each master with a $50 and a $100 investment (excluding tax/shipping)? I plan on building this list, largely, so I have some easy recommendations for new people. Prices will be assumed to be from Wyrd's suggested retail. I have a list starting, and am open to suggestions. Emphasis should be for producing reasonably newbie-friendly lists that allow the master to tackle a wide range of strategies reasonably well. Ramos $51 (Because really, that dollar gets you so much) - Miners and Steamfitter's Union Box Set ($35.00) - Magnets (Because it's that important. Price Varies) - Electrical Creation ($7.50) - Mobile Toolkit ($8.50) $100 OPTION A - Soulstone Miner ($15.00) - Coryphee ($16.00) - Rusty Alice ($9.00) - Brass Arachnid ($7.50) $100 OPTION B - Soulstone Miner ($15.00) -OR- Coryphee ($16.00) - Mechanical Rider ($30.00) $100 OPTION C - Soulstone Miner ($15.00) - Snowstorm ($35.00) $100 OPTION D - Kaeris Box Set ($40.00) - Student of Conflict ($7.50) Rasputina $50 - Cult of December Box set ($31) - Silent One ($9.00) - Essence of Power ($7.00) $100 - Snow Storm ($35.00) - Silent One ($9.00) Marcus $50 - Marcus ($9.00) - Silurid ($19.50) - Kaeris ($10.50) - Student of Conflict ($7.50) $100 - Jackalope ($6.50) - Waldgeist ($15.50) - Molemen ($15.00) - Soulstone Miner ($15.00) Collette $50 - Showgirls Box Set ($39.00) $100 - Mechanical Doves ($15.00) - Coryphee ($16.00) - Honestly, at this point you're good. $30 free. Kaeris $50 - Kaeris Box Set ($40.00) $100 - At this point you should expand into another master, using Kaeris as a henchmen. At this point you should probably get the Student of Conflict and/or Essence of Power to connect to her when doing so. If you don't... - Large Steampunk Arachnid ($15.00) - Soulstone Miner ($15.00) Combinations at $150 Unlike Guild, Ressurectionists, or Neverborn, each Arcanist master is more or less self-contained. It's more about selecting which -master- is correct for the situation and less about selecting the perfect combination of models. They don't really have many combinations at the $100 level because of that (not much cross-over in the core models). However, at $150 you can easily have solid lists by combining the different $100 lists with only a few modifications. So I'm going to point those out. Girl Power Not only can you combine Rasputina and Colette easily, but they synergise nicely. If you need a standing fire-turret, pick Rasputina. If you need mobility, pick Colette. $152 - Showgirls Box Set ($39.00) - Mechanical Doves ($15.00) - Coryphee ($16.00) - Cult of December Box set ($31) - Silent One ($9.00) - Essence of Power ($7.00) - Snow Storm ($35.00) The Gunmetal Widow Ramos and Colette also combine together nicely, for much the same reason. It's largely a matter of desire, between Ramos and Rasputina, although Ramos is better at attrition while being worse in terms of firepower. $151 - Showgirls Box Set ($39.00) - Mechanical Doves ($15.00) - Coryphee ($16.00) - Miners and Steamfitter's Union Box Set ($35.00) - Electrical Creation ($7.50) - Mobile Toolkit ($8.50) - Mechanical Rider ($30.00) Edited November 29, 2011 by SoulG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuJubee Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 If you take Kaeris to be the leader she doesn't get a totem. She can only take M&SU Members and Assets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulG Posted November 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Changed wording to make intent more clear. Also to not undermine my "beginner-focused" agenda. Thanks for pointing that out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnam Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Could you not do something for Marcus along the lines of: $50 Marcus $9 Shikome $9 2x Night Terrors $15 Convict Gunslinger $9 Essence of Power $7 $100 2 Silurids $18.50 2 Waldgeists $19.50 Shikome $9.00 That'll give you absolutely everything you'd want to use with Marcus as far as I can tell, and you'd have a bunch of different options at a 35 point game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tograth Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 one thing with Tinas box - why would you not simply buy her box set? its not all that much more, and the ice golem really becomes much more useful with snowstorm and /or avatar tina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adran Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Shoip is currently down so I can't check prices Ramos seems good. I would probably stick with Tinas box set and a silent one and the essence for the $50. Snowstorm and a second silent one work in the next $50. It does make a slow list for the $50, but it can work for several stratergies. But again its taste. Marcus is a tough one. There are so many options, and none vital. I would include a Jakalope and not the essence for a start. Molemen and Silurids are good places to start, 2 night terrors are good, as is a Shikome and a rogue necromancy. but really its what ever beasts fit your personal preference Kaeris Her box set Large Steampunk arachnid Soulstone miner Makes a reasonable 35 stone list with her as a leader. Add Joss and johan as well and she can lead quite a high pointed list for under $100 Colette - sorted. People may add one or two other things like a convict gunslinger, or a gunsmith but again thats adding to taste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulG Posted November 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Edited 'Tina and Kaeris to reflect suggestions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsmiles Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 One thing with Ramos is I (personally) don't see Rusty Alyce being worth her SS cost as a merc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sephiroa Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 One thing with Ramos is I (personally) don't see Rusty Alyce being worth her SS cost as a merc. strong shooter, can use ramos his Ca, gives you an extra card to draw, can give ramos reactivate in turn 2 so he can create another scrap counter and manifest and lose the effect of going to 1wd,, hmm,, no your right, not worth it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tograth Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 the problem with her is that she competes for lazarus, the mech rider, and the executioner in avatar ramos lists. She makes Ramos himself better, but I've never really had much luck using her with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CannonFodder Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Colette is the easiest list to make under 100$. Rasputina Can be done but but I find she needs Snow Storm, and a couple other models that get swapped out to al strategies. Marcus: I have no idea. I like the following if you are willing to spend around 125$ Ramos Box Kaeris Box Mobile Toolkit & Electrical creation for Ramos 1 or 2 Large Steampunk arachnids. This gives you 2 masters to play with and a lot of options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cats Laughing Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Could you not do something for Marcus along the lines of: $50 Marcus $9 Shikome $9 2x Night Terrors $15 Convict Gunslinger $9 Essence of Power $7 $100 2 Silurids $18.50 2 Waldgeists $19.50 Shikome $9.00 That'll give you absolutely everything you'd want to use with Marcus as far as I can tell, and you'd have a bunch of different options at a 35 point game. I would switch the Essence of Power for a Jackalope. Marcus has no damaging spells that would benefit from Empower and the Jackalope gives another Defend Me target on top of the "I'll be back" ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fading Memory Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 For Marcus, he doesn't need all beasts in order to be effective. With the release of the Gunsmiths, I would add a Gunsmith to the $50 dollar crew instead of the Convict Gunslinger. And don't underestimate Myranda. She can transform into the perfect beast for the situation. So the box set is not something to completely throw out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukrocky Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 $50 Marcus $9 Shikome $9 2x Night Terrors $15 Convict Gunslinger $9 Essence of Power $7 $100 2 Silurids $18.50 2 Waldgeists $19.50 Shikome $9.00 Stuff I wouldn't reccomend to someone starting Marcus: - Any Shikome - Essence - Gunlsinger Stuff I would replace those things with; - Kaeris - Jackalope - Student of Conflict - Miner or Gunsmith (Probably the latter) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Big Baws Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 As i once said on the Team Marcus topic...I like Marcus in the fluff and concept wise, he is rather unique. But being the budget gamer that I am, it scares me that based on what I've read, just starting a crew with him requires an investment. Not to mention the fact many see him as very weak (wether that is fact or not I do not know, but many say it is). Keeping an eye on the budget talk for Marcus in here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adanedhel Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 What I would do for Marcus would be Marcus 10,50 Silurid (x3) 19,50 gives us thirty which leaves 20 to taste for example Shikome and Jackalope then for 100$ Either Gunsmith or Convict 9 Night Terrors 15 if Gunsmith Kaeris, if Convict then Lawyer 9 (a Lawyer can let you alpha your own models, give them hard to wound 2, can cause morale duels, and is a hard one to kill due to red tape, he is quite slow though) giving you some choice for the last Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Big Baws Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Reading up on the Wiki, anyone think it would be better to star Marcus not purely on Beasts? Maybe run a few with Raptors and some other non-beast minions using the Raptors to Enrage them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulG Posted November 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Is Marcus' box completely impractical, then? Even if I allow for the extra $1.50 to take a blister of Silurids with them? Also, UKRocky! Since I have you here, what would you recommend at the $50 and $100 mark? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukrocky Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Who says I'm here?!? Oh. Poo. Ok so working off that $50 = £31 quid and using Maelstrom... £31; Marcus - £5.40 3 Slurrids - £11.70 Kaeris - £6.30 Student of Conflict - £4.50 Total = £27 Second set, so this time £35 to spend... Jackalope - £4.50 (I'd have this if I had 50p to spare in the first lot) Waldegeist Blister - £9.90 Moleman Blister - £9 Soulstone Miner - £9 Total = £32.30 Night Terrors are the next addition I'd have but they fill the same role as night terrors so it's personal preference/what other factions you play really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Big Baws Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Who says I'm here?!? Oh. Poo. Ok so working off that $50 = £31 quid and using Maelstrom... £31; Marcus - £5.40 3 Slurrids - £11.70 Kaeris - £6.30 Student of Conflict - £4.50 Total = £27 Second set, so this time £35 to spend... Jackalope - £4.50 (I'd have this if I had 50p to spare in the first lot) Waldegeist Blister - £9.90 Moleman Blister - £9 Soulstone Miner - £9 Total = £32.30 Night Terrors are the next addition I'd have but they fill the same role as night terrors so it's personal preference/what other factions you play really. Night Terrors fill the same role as Night Terrors?... Hehehe... I'm guessing the SoC is for Kaeris, Marcus taking the killer bunny? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulG Posted November 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 (edited) Who says I'm here?!? Oh. Poo. Ok so working off that $50 = £31 quid and using Maelstrom... £31; Marcus - £5.40 3 Slurrids - £11.70 Kaeris - £6.30 Student of Conflict - £4.50 Total = £27 Second set, so this time £35 to spend... Jackalope - £4.50 (I'd have this if I had 50p to spare in the first lot) Waldegeist Blister - £9.90 Moleman Blister - £9 Soulstone Miner - £9 Total = £32.30 Night Terrors are the next addition I'd have but they fill the same role as night terrors so it's personal preference/what other factions you play really. Converting to american money... $50 - Marcus ($9.00) - Silurid ($19.50) - Kaeris ($10.50) - Student of Conflict ($7.50) $100 - Jackalope ($6.50) - Waldgeist ($15.50) - Molemen ($15.00) - Soulstone Miner ($15.00) Edited November 9, 2011 by SoulG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukrocky Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 I meant night terrors fill the same role as slurrids (and to an extent, molemen - good defend me target). And correct with the totems! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulG Posted November 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 I added a "Building the Faction" section but noticed a distinct lack of cross-over between the Masters. So I abandoned the concept of doing a $100 multi-master list and went with combinations at the $150... which amounted to, basically, combining Colette with either Ramos or Rasputina. While that is an excellent way to go, IMO, I like options. Can anyone else think of a way to build up at least two Masters at the $150 level, or prove me wrong and build up two at the $100 level? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backno Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 Don't forget Kaeris + Ramos as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guild Monkee Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 I don't get why everyone favours the essence of power for Rasputina rather than the Wendigo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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