RotatingPanda Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 (edited) Not sure if this has been done before but it if hasn't been, I think it could be a valuable resource. Basically, a lot of people ask "How many x critters do I need with y Master?". So, why not consolidate those into one thread? Granted, I'm no pro at this and I've only collected a few from general consensus around the forums but hopefully all you good people can help me add to it and I can just edit it as needed! EDIT: So, someone suggested I explain by what I mean on this and to clarify what is "Needed" so I will do that and edit the list accordingly. By need, I mean the models you can't really play without (or shouldn't). Hamelin needs The Stolen and Malifaux Rats. Nicodem needs some Mindless Zombies. McMourning needs Canine Remains. Kirai needs Seishin. Personally, I think any Master than can summon something needs some of that thing. However, Marcus does not need Silurid or Molemen. That is personal taste. EDIT 2: Assume all numbers are for a 35 soulstone game. EDIT 3: Definition of Need: "Models that a player will use consistently all the time as a basic part of the force. (2-3 Belles for Seamus, 2 Waifs for Leveticus, etc)" (Thanks to CRC for the concise definition) Guild Lady Justice Death Marshalls - 3 to 5 Perdita Sonia Criid Witchling Stalkers - 3 C. Hoffman Lucius Guild Guard - 3 Resurrectionist Dr. McMourning Canine Remains - 3 to 6 Flesh Constructs - 2 Nicodem Mindless Zombies - 3 to 8 Seamus Rotten Bells - 3 to 6 Kirai Seishin - 5 Gaki - 2 to 4 Shikome - 1 Lost Love - 1 Arcanist Ramos Steampunk Arachnid - SPA= 1 spider, Swarm = 3 Spiders; Magnetized: 6 spiders are Min, 9 is recommended. Total of 27 SS; Unmagnetized: 6 SPA + 2 Swarm. Total of 36 SS Electrical Creation - 1 Brass Arachnid - 1 (replace with Mobile Toolkit when it comes out) Marcus Rasputina Ice Gamin - 3 to 6 (3 will be enough for most players) Essence of Power or Wendigo - 1 Ice Pillars (built) - 8 Colette Doves - 3 Coryphée - 2 (1 if you are good with magnets and conversions) Neverborn Lilith Young Nephilim - 2 Pandora Sorrows - 3 (or 1 Doppelganger) Zoraida Voodoo Doll - 1 The Dreamer Alps - ??? Daydreams - 3 Outcasts Leveticus Steampunk Abominations - 4 to 8 Desolation Engine - 1 Hollow Waifs - 2 Viktoria Ronin - 3 Som'er Teeth Jones Bayou Gremlins - 8 Mosquitoes - 2 to 4 Piglets - 6 Hamelin Malifaux Rats - 12 to 15 The Stolen - 5 to 6 Ratcatcher - 1 Thanks To: Edonil, Acefisher1, Q'ig'el, Rush3r, karn987, lamwyrd, CRC, Nick, cerealkiller195, Mike3838, Bucket Monkey, Ratty (I know, I know, I'm as surprised as you are that Ratty responded on a thread ), osoi, Eisenhorn, CannonFodder, Vaff, CRC, Storm's Eye, Aka Hazard, Durek Edited April 6, 2012 by RotatingPanda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edonil Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 Kirai- 5 Seishin, 3-5 Gaki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acefisher1 Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 Rasputina - 3-6 Ice Gamin (3 is enough for most people) Ramos - Spiders If Magnetized 9 bases - 18 individual spiders (up to 3 per base for a swarm) Not Magnetized 3-4 Swarm bases (3 spiders on the base) 6-8 Individual spiders on bases Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q'iq'el Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 (edited) Lilith - 1x Young Nephilim (box of 2) Colette - 1x Doves (box of 3); 2x Coryphée (boxes of 2) [1x if you are good with magnets or conversions]. I understand Totems are not counted among "must have" minis, but for Colette they are actually necessary to perform some of the actions. Edited July 11, 2011 by Q'iq'el Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soundwave Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 Seamus - Hundred millionz Belles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rush3r Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 marcus- silurids 3x, moleman 2/3x, when its out raptors Xx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karn987 Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 (edited) Dreamer: 1 Blister of Daydreams (ie 3 daydream models). Dreamer literally does not work correctly without these little guys. Edited July 11, 2011 by karn987 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iamwyrd Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 (edited) Mcmorning and nicodem. I would say 4-6 canine remains. More so for mcmorning. I would up the mindless zombie count to 6-8 IMO, cause also depends if you play against crews that drop corpse counters. So maybe 5-8. Its an odd number but you do need them. Edited July 11, 2011 by Iamwyrd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRC Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 Ramos - Spiders If Magnetized 9 bases - 18 individual spiders (up to 3 per base for a swarm) Not Magnetized 3-4 Swarm bases (3 spiders on the base) 6-8 Individual spiders on bases 9 bases is 27 individual spiders. It's also 81 points, which is crazy high. 6 bases is 18 spiders, which is a "mere" 54 points, still really high. I'd say 3-4 bases. That gives you 27-36 points, and space for other stuff in your force. The numbers for "Not Magnetized" look pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 So'mer - 8 gremlins (2 packs of 4) 6 pigs (2 packs of 3) Skeeters - Preferably 2 to 4. At least, with my own experiences :] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cerealkiller195 Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 Sonnia - if your list includes three maybe 1-2, if your list includes none then the blister of 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike3838 Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 I think if this is going to be useful you have to define "need". Seamus definitely doesn't "need" 5-6 Belles. Not many people run with more than 3. In fact you can make an effective Seamus crew with 0 Belles... Likewise Marcus doesn't "need" Silurids or Molemen at all. Also all Guild minions work well with pretty much any Guild Master and there's no "need" minimum amount. Pretty much all Neverborn masters have free choice across the whole faction range too. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumb Luck Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 I like running Somer with Two Skeeters and a Rat, to make another Skeeter AND heal the other two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucket Monkey Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 I'd say 3-5 death marshalls for LJ. I rarely run less than 3 and when the dead justice set is in my hands I will probably run 5-6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratty Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 tbh I don't think there are any needs in the Guild at all, they can easily swap around minions between Masters.. You can easilty run Lady J with Guild Guard, Witchliing Stalkers or Death Marshalls, I know quite a few people run her with Lucius. I would say Lucius needs 3 guard models though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WookieeGunner Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 9 bases is 27 individual spiders. It's also 81 points, which is crazy high. 6 bases is 18 spiders, which is a "mere" 54 points, still really high. I'd say 3-4 bases. That gives you 27-36 points, and space for other stuff in your force. The numbers for "Not Magnetized" look pretty good. I took "bases" in the magnatized to mean "a combination of small and large bases equalling nine" so for example 2 large (swarm) and 7 small (individual). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucket Monkey Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 tbh I don't think there are any needs in the Guild at all, they can easily swap around minions between Masters.. You can easilty run Lady J with Guild Guard, Witchliing Stalkers or Death Marshalls, I know quite a few people run her with Lucius. I would say Lucius needs 3 guard models though. I do ownboth guard and stalkers, and while they have been good with Lj, especially the guard with cordon can create sopme nice barriers for LJ.to be protected behind, the stalkers have never really done much for me, will have to use them some more, it could be just personal preferance that I have the DMs as standard unless I'm running an elite list.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osoi Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 McMourning I would say works best with 3+ Canine Remains adn having 2 Flesh Constructs available is nice too. Seamus only needs his 3 belle models I usually only start with 1-2 in any crew nowdays Leveticus I am thinking 6 Steam Punk Aboms, its what I have got and it works Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adran Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 My own view of "need". Certain lists may want to field more, but they are not needs. I'm probably looking in the 25-30 point region. Some crews may need more of the essentials at more points. Ophelia and Hamelin are the two which leap to mind, where as most of the other leaders can easily branch out in alsorts of directions. Guild Lady Justice Perdita Sonia Criid Witchling Stalkers - 3 (well maybe fewer but they come in a pack of 3) C. Hoffman Lucius Guild Guard - 2 Resurrectionist Dr. McMourning Canine Remains - 2 Flesh Constructs - 1 Nicodem Mindless Zombies - 3 to 6 Seamus Rotten Bells - 3 Kirai Seishin - 5 Gaki - 3 Molly Rotten Belles -3 Necrotic machine -1 Arcanist Ramos Steampunk Arachnid -the ability to have 4 singles and 2 swarms is plenty unless you are planning on fielding just spiders. Marcus Rasputina Kearis Colette Doves - 3 Neverborn Lilith Young Nephilim - 2 (if you field Terror tots) Pandora Zoraida Collodi Marrianetes - 4 The Dreamer Daydreams - 3 Outcasts Leveticus Steampunk Abominations - 4 to 6 Desolation engine - 1 Viktoria Von Schill Som'er Teeth Jones Bayou Gremlins - 6 Mosquitoes - 2 to 4 Piglets - 3 Ophelia Bayou gremlin/young Lacrox - 2 (something cheap required as a minimum. either would work). Hamelin Malifaux Rats - 12 (to some extent opponent dependent, more needed vs swarm crews) The Stolen - 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumb Luck Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 I take three of Ophelia's totems as cheap, throwaway troops. I tend to go towards the heavy basic Gremlin end of things (normally eight), but I have seen people take as low as three. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulgrima Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 I think all arcanist masters should be put down as needing a Coryphee Duet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisenhorn Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 Leveticus Steampunk Abominations x 4 Desolation engine Hallow Waifs x 2 Rusty Alyce You may not use them all at once but you will use them all at some point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serigala Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Viktorias 3 x Ronin come in a single blister. I regularly play 3, but I've never needed a 4th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sliver Chocobo Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Lilith - 1x Young Nephilim (box of 2) Colette - 1x Doves (box of 3); 2x Coryphée (boxes of 2) [1x if you are good with magnets or conversions]. I understand Totems are not counted among "must have" minis, but for Colette they are actually necessary to perform some of the actions. Young Nephilim are personal taste, i use none Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RotatingPanda Posted July 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Serigala: Would you consider the Ronin to be -must- haves? Sliver Chocobo: Are Nephilim kind of Lilith's thing...? Do you use Terror Tots and go from there, do you just buy her a Mature Nephilim or do you not use Nephilim with her at all? (Sorry for the Spanish Inquisition*, but just trying to figure out for the sake of the "Master List") * Which, naturally, no one ever suspects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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