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Colette thing makes me a bit sad, but I guess I'll just leave the entire avatar thing for the time being and focus on finding a good model for Barbaros.

I'm digging through the expansion books and I've got to the avatars finally. I have the original metal models for Nicodem, Lilith and Colette avatars and I'd love to use them, but it seems the Avatars are somewhat different now... More like an upgrade to the character than the game-changing thing they used to be. I'm especially confused about Colette, as I don't see any reference to her splitting into three models anymore (I guess I'll have to base all three models on a single 50mm base...). Is there any way to get the manifestation cards and perhaps the avatar cards for these old models? They are not in the W2 Arsenal Decks...

I'd used sleeves for Malifaux, but I've bought laminating machine for the cards at some point... With the new cards being plastic and rigid, I wonder if the sleeves wouldn't be more convenient again... (not to mention that laminating and cutting out whole Arsenal decks is not something I look forward to )

Thanks for the info.

It occurred to me just now, as I was about to order one of the e-books... are the Malifaux e-books printable? Can I print out the cards inside to cut them out and laminate? I think I may need just a couple of Arcanist upgrades and perhaps some extra Terror Tots...

Thanks for the warm welcome! It's scary how much I've forgotten.

Thank you very much. I remember old PDFs from Wyrd suffered from optimization issues as well. I'll try the free Rules booklet and we how it goes. Thanks for all the help!

Thank you very much! I think I have a good starting point then. And a follow-up question: I've noticed in the ebooks' comments section some people complain they are heavy and slow to open. I have iPad Mini Retina (the second generation I believe) - I wonder if it can handle the books?

Hello! [dusts off] I'd played my last game of Malifaux somewhere at the end of 2011 and actually haven't played anything since (life). Recently I've found a gaming partner interested in the game and I'm thinking about diving headfirst into M2E, but I'm a bit lost. If someone could help me with the following questions, I'd be very grateful. 1. The books. I have the Rulebook for M2E (one of my last gaming purchases, but I'm reading it only now) and I understand there are two M2E expansion books. Can anyone tell me what is in them and do I need them immediately? Also, I seem to remember hearing about e-books, but can't find any in the Webstore. I'd prefer ebooks, especially if they are getting upgraded with all the errata the way some other companies do (are they?). Are there official Wyrd published e-books for M2E? 2. The Arsenal Decks... I have the old school Lilith, Colette and Nikodem crews... very extended. I also have Molly and some Outcast Mercenaries. I've got Wave 1 Arsenal decks for Neverborn, Resurrectionists and Outcasts and just ordered Wave 2 decks for Archaists, Neverborn, Resurrectionists and Outcasts. I understand Colette crew is entirely covered by the wave 2 Arcanists deck, but how about upgrade cards? Do I need Wave 1 box for her upgrades (don't know exactly how to play with those yet). Any other decks I should think about getting? 3. The models - I still have models to paint and lots of stuff I haven't even played with... so the new models have low priority... On the top of that, unpopular as it may be, I definitely prefer the looks of old school Malifaux to the new plastics - it's only a matter of the style, as I'm not a metal fan at all. So I'm going to keep playing with my old models for considerable future... there is just one hole I'd like to fill and that is Barbaros. I'm looking for an alt for him and I'd love it to fit the old Nephilim looks. I'd be grateful for all the suggestions. 4. The web based crew-creator I have working link for (Ratty's) haven't been updated for the 2E. Are there any working 2E crew creators? 5. Any other stuff a 1E player should get before returning to the 2E? Thanks in advance for help! P.S. 6. How about avatars? Are they in the Wave 2 or 3? I have the old metal Avatars for all my crews, but I still have to put them together...

Riposte on the other hand doesn't mean many things - it is a fencing move and I suppose it could be extended, conditionally, to a shooting duel. Lady J is being burried out of range and LoS and clearly, the Void Wretch attack is something going through other dimensions and hitting targets which in the material world of Malifaux are perfectly hidden. So to imagine a fencing move that somehow responds to what sound as inter-dimensional psychic attack of sorts is a bit of a stretch for me. I also think it is a glitch, because everything about "Bury" speaks of taking model out of play. Historically, so to speak, the ability had absolute effect stopping everything from affecting the model, but that caused problems with Nurses and Bête Noire and several other such models. Lady J's Riposte wouldn't come into play in any other situation but an attack such as Void Wretch's one, because no other attack can touch her when she is buried. It seems to me that one situation is an oversight which goes against the logic of the state and all the other rules which govern it. Of course it isn't "illegal" in the pure game terms, it just seems not what should be happening. Perhaps Riposte should have range/los requirement?

Oh, no, I understand that M2E rulebook doesn't define "not in play" as well as the old one, but the wording of the Buried rules and how it normally works still conveys the intent pretty well. Additionaly, the Buried "rule" is rather complex, if you analyze its components beyond direct wording - it is both prohibitive (places models outside of LoS and range of all effects and bars it from acting) and permissive in a very limited sense - it only allows the model to process conditions at the end of the Turn (and no other effects or conditions, which is important to remember just in case such an effect appears in the game.). The problem is, as it often happens in Malifaux, with the rules breaking the standard mechanics and in this case it is the Void Wretch which is the culprit. For all other models the Buried opponent is simply not in LOS and not in range and there is no worry it will ever have to perform a duel. So the question is how to fix the Void Wretch so that it doesn't allow Lady J to perform her trigger, as it clearly shouldn't happen for a model not in play. Now of course you can argue the rules allow for the trigger to go, but since we're in early stages of 2E we need to give the intent some regard and let the rules as written rest for a short while. It is just an obvious glitch caused just by this one model, and a likely subject for Errata.

I don't think trigger rules need to state anything. Model not in play simply cannot do anything at all, and declaring a trigger is definitely part of the play. Resolving effects which are on the model is different, because the model is passive.

I'd say the reason she cannot declare the trigger is that she's not in play. Buried models are not taking part in the game. They can be targeted by this exceptional ability, and they resolve effects on them, but otherwise you simply cannot do anything with them, until they get unburied and return to play.

The change in style is even bigger of a problem than the availability of the minis, I think. I've been a big proponent of going plastic and I kind of appreciate that the miniatures' style is more consistent now, but I liked the original Malifaux minis the most and I feel the new Brood departs a bit too far from that. Look at metal Young Nephilim - they look almost playful as they approach their opponents, while the CG shot of Barbaros looks like he belonged in the Ten Thunders and new Lilith is spiteful, if anything (not a bad sculpt, I think, just not the image of Neverborn queen relishing the combat, she used to be). Anyway, IMHO for the old metal crews it'd be easiest to pick up some proxy from the offer of the original sculptors. The style is often very similar. Wasn't the original Lilith crew commissioned from Werner Klocke? There's a multitude of female demon sculpts of his that'd fit the bill (even if you leave out all the naked girls ) and quite a few male candidates from his vampires and such. I believe Dark Age has a few of demons of his (Gazelle comes to mind and is a stunning model) and his female anti-paladin (Cassiata?) is a very nice armored model, fighting with human weapons and still fit for a Lilith crew, I think. His Chaos Champion seems to fit the bill perfectly for a male character armed and a good fit for a former pit-fighter Neverborn (other than lack of wings), but I'm not sure if it still available. ---------- Post added at 10:03 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:00 AM ---------- Here's the link for the champion: https://www.coolminiornot.com/shop/chaos-champion.html

This is actually a very convincing argument! For some reason I assumed they are the same size as the old ones, and those were a nightmare to find sleeves for (at least around here).