captaingrizz Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 Explorers get a dinosaur.... a DINOSAUR. why dont I see it more often, is it not a good unit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUnseemlyOne Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 I’ve seen it fairly frequently in Titania and Cooper crews. Haven’t ever seen it as an ook choice. He’s on the pricey end at a 10 cost, so unless he’s going to do something specific for you, in keyword synergies are probably going to give more efficiency for their cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math Mathonwy Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 It can also get stuck if the opponent has Obey. Wp4 into Tail Whip and Territorial and it's 10SS that's sitting still. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniacal_cackle Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 Even without obey, it is still a 2ap, 10 stone beater. So you realllllly have to get good value out of those 2 ap and bonus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gheist Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 Most of the time you want to stick him into the fray first thing to bog down your opponent the territorial trigger. Fine if it works. Even better if you can get some value out of the Crow Aura from wild hunt (which is more useful to guarantee into thorns with Titania than anything else) The Melee Attack is mandatory for the Cost of the Model, so nothing special there to be honest. But: He dies seriously fast. He is Height 4 so everything with a gun can and will fire at him and the defense is so poor they almost always hit (i once shot him down with an operative who got lucky on the dmg flips). His only defense is Terrifying and both his crews do nothing to support him there Anything that has min 3 or (god forbid) ruthless (or both) will kill him very very fast and there go all your stones. +++ Looks awesome on the Table, which is the reason i field him. Works good in friendly games. If your opponent seriously knows what he's doing you can get more worth out of the emissary for the same points in both Crews to be honest +++ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gheist Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 5 hours ago, Math Mathonwy said: It can also get stuck if the opponent has Obey. Wp4 into Tail Whip and Territorial and it's 10SS that's sitting still. cannot be moved on the trigger doesn't really mean that it cannot move by itself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaag Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Gheist said: cannot be moved on the trigger doesn't really mean that it cannot move by itself i does mean, that if he wil turn on territorial-he will be at this place until end of turn, so obey is great against rex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Vening Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 6 minutes ago, Gheist said: cannot be moved on the trigger doesn't really mean that it cannot move by itself Unfortunately it appears it does, at least without an explicit ruling to the contrary. There's many ways of wording it to have it operate otherwise ("cannot be moved by other models" would be one). The way it's written, while not 100% clear, requires a very nuanced reading of "moved" as an external source, that isn't really part of the Malifaux syntax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gheist Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 22 minutes ago, Morgan Vening said: Unfortunately it appears it does, at least without an explicit ruling to the contrary. There's many ways of wording it to have it operate otherwise ("cannot be moved by other models" would be one). The way it's written, while not 100% clear, requires a very nuanced reading of "moved" as an external source, that isn't really part of the Malifaux syntax. If the whole world agrees, i'll conform. I get what you are saying, and thus amend what i said to: The RAW could get some love then next time explorers cards are touched, because :A lot of people seem to think that it's not the greatest model for its points but agree to interpret that passage in the worst possible way for the model. Because against some crews , this transforms it into a piece of terrain unless you have initiative ... which doesn't strike me as intentional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solkan Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 The thing is that it would take something like “If this model would be moved, it’s controller can choose for it not to be” to be perfect. But if they don’t make Laugh Off or Plant Roots perfect like that, why would they make Territorial perfect? Note that “cannot be moved by enemy effects” would not prevent your model being Obeyed to Walk, or a friendly model being Obeyed to push you. The “when you move, you are being moved (even if you’re the one doing the moving)” while it might surprise you isn’t a secret interpretation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEV Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 He's good in a Titania crew (with Marcus as second master it could be gross). It's not just a 2 AP beater. His bonus is quite good to move your models around. Hard to wound + terrifying + a lot of wound and self heal on his attack means you have to invest a couple of AP to kill him (even with a min 3 beater). If he has external healing support he can be quite resilient. He will die eventually... and than you bring him back with Gorar and score your point of Hidden Martyrs. I'll avoid him in a vendetta pool though since he's a great target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gheist Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 1 hour ago, SEV said: He's good in a Titania crew (with Marcus as second master it could be gross). It's not just a 2 AP beater. His bonus is quite good to move your models around. Hard to wound + terrifying + a lot of wound and self heal on his attack means you have to invest a couple of AP to kill him (even with a min 3 beater). If he has external healing support he can be quite resilient. He will die eventually... and than you bring him back with Gorar and score your point of Hidden Martyrs. I'll avoid him in a vendetta pool though since he's a great target. It can be durable if your opponent has no ruthless/crappy handcards/badluck ---> i just feel unless you want DINOSAUR you have better options in the 10 SS Beater/Tank Slot. 1 hour ago, solkan said: The thing is that it would take something like “If this model would be moved, it’s controller can choose for it not to be” to be perfect. But if they don’t make Laugh Off or Plant Roots perfect like that, why would they make Territorial perfect? Note that “cannot be moved by enemy effects” would not prevent your model being Obeyed to Walk, or a friendly model being Obeyed to push you. The “when you move, you are being moved (even if you’re the one doing the moving)” while it might surprise you isn’t a secret interpretation. Interpretation is what it is though ---> It might also be down to me being no native english speaker. or not thinking hard enough about the text of the cards most of the time, but it is always very enlightening to watch other people play malifaux (for example world Series) or talk with them about rules. i always find things that i would have never read that way while everyone else goes "yeah totally obvious" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEV Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, Gheist said: It can be durable if your opponent has no ruthless/crappy handcards/badluck ---> i just feel unless you want DINOSAUR you have better options in the 10 SS Beater/Tank Slot This is true for most models... They have a weakness (in this case Ruthless) and they are vulnerable to bad flip and bad hand... IMO this is not a reason to not hire them if they bring an interesting package to your crew. My argument about Rex is that it brings enough to a Titania crew to justify his cost in a lot of matchup (don't bring him in a heavy scheme marker pool, against obey master or a ton of ruthless models). I can speak about Apex since I'm not playing ES... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gheist Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 Yeah against obey masters it seems to be a no go learned a thing oday I always had fun bringing him to the table, he had some star tagteam moments with model 9 where they ate some backline pretty fast. Otherwise it's the distraction Carnifex for your opponent to worry about while you bring cooper into position (and he can nudge cooper into position). You can actually make him impossible to wound with ullrs aura and if you stack the Emissary on top it can get pretty wild. By then nobody is protecting cooper anymore so it only works against less mobile keywords. I feel like in both keywords, if pressured, i would take the emissary for both Keywords , or the hooded Rider instead of the Malisaurus, because they provide better tanking capabilities / Mobility ---> if i had to make a competitive choice. Which i don't so i just bring the dinosaur most of the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giovanni Canzanella Posted November 4, 2021 Report Share Posted November 4, 2021 On 11/3/2021 at 10:51 AM, Gheist said: (i once shot him down with an operative who got lucky on the dmg flips). Man, those operatives are crazy good! Ignoring terrifying and shooting with a into Friendly Fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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