Which models can discard soul stones?

[Hagisman]

This came up when I was looking over my Greed and Executioner cards. 

Both have an attack that requires a model to discard soulstones. 

am I right in thinking only masters can discard soulstones?

if so this means I can target my friend's minions and always hit them for 4 dmg with Greed. 

[zFiend]

Nope. Any model can discard soulstones as a price. Only masters and Henchmen can use soulstones. 

[Myyrä]

Is this in the rulebook or an faq somewhere as we've been playing this that if you can't use stones you don't have any to discard in the first place?

Where exactly is your lowly minion etc getting two stones from to crush and save his life?

Rules say that only Master and Henchman models can use soulstones. The ways to use soulstones are listed on pg. 25 of the rule book. Discarding soulstones is not among them.

[Dirial]

What the fiend said.

[Durza]

zFiend has it right, you are discarding soulstones, not using them.

[Clement]

Yes.  Your Master doesn't take his soulstones with him when he dies. 

[Vodkanought]

Is this in the rulebook or an faq somewhere as we've been playing this that if you can't use stones you don't have any to discard in the first place?

Where exactly is your lowly minion etc getting two stones from to crush and save his life?

[AverageBoss]

You get the soulstones when you build your force. You don't lose anything other than your leader when your leader dies, unless some other rule specifies so.

Discarding soulstones is not  the same as using them. Anyone can discard (even peons) as long as a rule lets them. Greed lets any target discard a stone for a 1/2/3 healing flip. Misaki lets you avoid death from her trigger if the target discards 2 stones. These rules specifically allow the target to discard stones as part of the ability.

Also take note of the mulligan and reflipping initiative uses for soulstones. No model actually does those, you as the player do.

[Dirial]

[Kogan Style]

You could extend your absurdity further with

"Stinky, With death bearing down on him, looks up to the heavens for deliverance. Unbelievably, 2 cards float over his head before disappearing into a pile that floated somewhere off to one side of the board edge (Stinky paused to wonder what would happen if he wandered off the edge of the board, that mysterious barrier to reality no Canine remains had ever crossed)"

Where did those two cards come from? What relevance do they hold for poor Stinky?!! How do you come to acquire these precious objects?!!!

The game would start to break down if you thought in these terms. The player uses the resources he has to hand when required. If an ability requires 2 cards or SS to be discarded to prevent something happening, the player chooses, not poor Stinky.

 

 

 

 

[Sklertic]

"McMourning, seeing poor Stinky about to be felled, quickly throws 2 soulstones towards him and saves the poor things life."

I can make the rules fit my theories by creative writing as well.

[Vodkanought]

You could extend your absurdity further with

"Stinky, With death bearing down on him, looks up to the heavens for deliverance. Unbelievably, 2 cards float over his head before disappearing into a pile that floated somewhere off to one side of the board edge (Stinky paused to wonder what would happen if he wandered off the edge of the board, that mysterious barrier to reality no Canine remains had ever crossed)"

Where did those two cards come from? What relevance do they hold for poor Stinky?!! How do you come to acquire these precious objects?!!!

The game would start to break down if you thought in these terms. The player uses the resources he has to hand when required. If an ability requires 2 cards or SS to be discarded to prevent something happening, the player chooses, not poor Stinky.

 

 

 

 

Except the wording on fattys trigger is "After damaging immediately kill the target unless IT discards two cards or two soulstones."There's no mention of the player in this unlike stoning for cards or initiative.

If the intent was everyone could do it why wouldn't they just put the "unless the player" instead of "it" which would then make more sense esp given your point about the cards?

I'm prob wrong but I'd rather see why i'm wrong re the rules as it seems most assume any model can discard stones they don't have and I'm assuming they can't as i'm buggered if I can find it in the rules.

Also Stinky thanks you for thinking of him.

[solkan]

You could extend your absurdity further with

"Stinky, With death bearing down on him, looks up to the heavens for deliverance. Unbelievably, 2 cards float over his head before disappearing into a pile that floated somewhere off to one side of the board edge (Stinky paused to wonder what would happen if he wandered off the edge of the board, that mysterious barrier to reality no Canine remains had ever crossed)"

Where did those two cards come from? What relevance do they hold for poor Stinky?!! How do you come to acquire these precious objects?!!!

The game would start to break down if you thought in these terms. The player uses the resources he has to hand when required. If an ability requires 2 cards or SS to be discarded to prevent something happening, the player chooses, not poor Stinky.

 

 

 

 

Except the wording on fattys trigger is "After damaging immediately kill the target unless IT discards two cards or two soulstones."There's no mention of the player in this unlike stoning for cards or initiative.

If the intent was everyone could do it why wouldn't they just put the "unless the player" instead of "it" which would then make more sense esp given your point about the cards?

I'm prob wrong but I'd rather see why i'm wrong re the rules as it seems most assume any model can discard stones they don't have and I'm assuming they can't as i'm buggered if I can find it in the rules.

Also Stinky thanks you for thinking of him.

You seem to be hung up on discarding soulstones from the cache.  Where are the rules that specify that a model can discard cards from the player's hand?

 

[Vodkanought]

You could extend your absurdity further with

"Stinky, With death bearing down on him, looks up to the heavens for deliverance. Unbelievably, 2 cards float over his head before disappearing into a pile that floated somewhere off to one side of the board edge (Stinky paused to wonder what would happen if he wandered off the edge of the board, that mysterious barrier to reality no Canine remains had ever crossed)"

Where did those two cards come from? What relevance do they hold for poor Stinky?!! How do you come to acquire these precious objects?!!!

The game would start to break down if you thought in these terms. The player uses the resources he has to hand when required. If an ability requires 2 cards or SS to be discarded to prevent something happening, the player chooses, not poor Stinky.

 

 

 

 

Except the wording on fattys trigger is "After damaging immediately kill the target unless IT discards two cards or two soulstones."There's no mention of the player in this unlike stoning for cards or initiative.

If the intent was everyone could do it why wouldn't they just put the "unless the player" instead of "it" which would then make more sense esp given your point about the cards?

I'm prob wrong but I'd rather see why i'm wrong re the rules as it seems most assume any model can discard stones they don't have and I'm assuming they can't as i'm buggered if I can find it in the rules.

Also Stinky thanks you for thinking of him.

You seem to be hung up on discarding soulstones from the cache.  Where are the rules that specify that a model can discard cards from the player's hand?

 

Yeh I guess.

I just want to be sure that if I use this to save poor Stinky and deny my opponent a point in Reckoning on turn 5 to win it's legit really.

[Vodkanought]

So it doesn't actually say in the rules any model may discard stones it's merely an asumption?

Consider this scenario;

Stinky the loveable canine remains is contentdly passing the time licking what remains of his nut sack when suddenly from around the corner a bellowing,fat lunatic with knives strapped to his hands leaps out and stabs poor Stinky through what's left of his abdomen.

Stinky is almost killed and being unable to use stones to prevent this damage is understandably worried especially as it seems the shock will now end up killing him anyway but lo Stinky for some reason has two stones on him(even though he can't use them)which he drops on the floor saving his life and then procedes to take a widdle on the fat mans leg before running off.

 

Just doesn't make  sense to me.

 

Also not sure why stoning for cards or reflipping the inniative are relevant as both those happen before the activation phase and also both reference "the player" rather than "the target".

To me it seems the wording "it" was added rather than "the player" in those triggers to stop lowly minions from stealing their masters stones and using them to save their worthless lives,just like loveable Stinky who went on to be very happy for the rest of his life which sadly turned out to be about three mins once McMourning discovered the theft of the stones.