Math Mathonwy Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 I wonder if the other factions have a tier list as solid as we have here? I don't think that anyone is going to argue that Perdita is anything but the top, and Lucius and Justice are anything but the bottom two options. Don't get me wrong, the balance is still really tight, but it takes a lot more work to get good results out of the people on the bottom than it does for the people on top...I could easily argue that both Hoffman and McMourning are below Lucius. I'm not sure I would but I could. I think that Justice is pretty safely at the bottom and the top three is pretty obvious but aside from that it isn't very clear cut, IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trikk Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 What do you guys think Justice needs to go up? I`d say HtW/HtK or something like that would be a good start (this is the model that brought me to Malifaux really) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgraz Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 Damn the typos around here. Dgraz, you make this mistake all the time. It's friendly. Not filthy. Check your AutoCorrect so we don't get these awkward situations. I believe we already determined that I am perfect and incapable of mistakes. All those other times you "corrected" me, I was humoring you as one might a child. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgraz Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 What do you guys think Justice needs to go up? I`d say HtW/HtK or something like that would be a good start (this is the model that brought me to Malifaux really) Bulletproof? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonahmaul Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 I'm not sure she needs to go up. She's still a very solid Master. If something outright needs to die (Assassinate, Make them Suffer, Murder Protoge (if you're happy with 2VPs) then you bring Lady J along. She might be outshone by other Masters but she's certainly competitive enough to play with. Personally I didn't like her that much when I played with her because she is a bit too one dimensional (though I've not played enough with her to form a full opinion). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgraz Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 I'm not sure she needs to go up. She's still a very solid Master. If something outright needs to die (Assassinate, Make them Suffer, Murder Protoge (if you're happy with 2VPs) then you bring Lady J along. She might be outshone by other Masters but she's certainly competitive enough to play with. Personally I didn't like her that much when I played with her because she is a bit too one dimensional (though I've not played enough with her to form a full opinion). Pretty much agree. Her biggest weakness is getting there.....she isn't too fast, and she isn't defensive enough to survive the trip sometimes. If she were Df 6 or faster, she'd probably be broken.....I think Armor would be too much, but I think Bulletproof would go a long way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myyrä Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 Pretty much agree. Her biggest weakness is getting there.....she isn't too fast, and she isn't defensive enough to survive the trip sometimes. If she were Df 6 or faster, she'd probably be broken.....I think Armor would be too much, but I think Bulletproof would go a long way.You do know that she gets bulletproof +1 for 1ss? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LunarSol Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 What do you guys think Justice needs to go up? I`d say HtW/HtK or something like that would be a good start (this is the model that brought me to Malifaux really) In my opinion Justice's biggest drawback is that she has a very tiny area of influence for a Master. She can spend a lot of AP trying to get in position in which she's more threatened than other masters anyway. If Perdita, say, has a full 15 AP, due to her survivability and movement and threat area created by her range, she often gets to spend 9-12 of it at worst on Master level attacks or actions. By comparison, Justice can often spend a good 4-5 on movement or dies very quickly, meaning she'll often only get 3-8 Master level AP. I'm very curious to play her with the Emissary's box port. The ability to flexibly redeploy her might be just what she needs, but I'm a bit afraid its too resource intensive to fully get the job done. I think she could definitely be a bit sturdier and she probably needs something that speeds her up, possibly based on enemy actions. In general though, a melee focused Master is always going to face something of an uphill battle to crack the absolute top tiers of Masters in the game. They're just vastly more predictable than those Masters that can freely pick targets in a Circle nearly the size of the board or sit back and make their crew operate at Master level all around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirial Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 What do you guys think Justice needs to go up? I`d say HtW/HtK or something like that would be a good start (this is the model that brought me to Malifaux really) My thoughts from some time ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgraz Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 You do know that she gets bulletproof +1 for 1ss? I thought Implacable was 2ss? If I'm correct then it's horribly over-costed for what it does....and if you're correct it's still over-costed for what it does. Even 1ss AND the upgrade slot isn't worth bulletproof +1...because let's face it, the other ability on there is virtually useless...not much walks away from Ml 7 anyway. And I don't think +1 is enough....there are far too many guns out there that have 3-4 for moderate damage and she can't take many of those and still be effective. +2 might be enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myyrä Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 I thought Implacable was 2ss? If I'm correct then it's horribly over-costed for what it does....and if you're correct it's still over-costed for what it does. Even 1ss AND the upgrade slot isn't worth bulletproof +1...because let's face it, the other ability on there is virtually useless...not much walks away from Ml 7 anyway. And I don't think +1 is enough....there are far too many guns out there that have 3-4 for moderate damage and she can't take many of those and still be effective. +2 might be enough.Lucky for Lady Justice (not really), her upgrades are pretty shitty, so she can easily afford the upgrade slot. 1ss isn't that bad for Bulletproof +1 if you know you are facing something shooty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trikk Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 I usually take her with Badge of OFFICE, Last Stand (for Unimpended) and the third slot is Implacable/Plant Evidence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myyrä Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 I usually take her with Badge of Speed, Last Stand (for Unimpended) and the third slot is Implacable/Plant EvidenceI would probably take the Badge of Speed on her too if it were possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trikk Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 Too many Badges. I`m not a Dirty Cheater tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirial Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 I would probably take the Badge of Speed on her too if it were possible. A thousand times yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myyrä Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 A thousand times yes.It wouldn't give her nimble, so maybe only a hundred times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirial Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 It wouldn't give her nimble, so maybe only a hundred times. Yeah, but her Inspiring Swordplay would nicely mesh with Reactivate. I'd give a lot for her to take Imbued Energies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Lady Justice reactivate. Yowza. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trikk Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Yeah, but her Inspiring Swordplay would nicely mesh with Reactivate. I'd give a lot for her to take Imbued Energies. Student of Conflict :>? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 5ss is bit too steep for Imbued Energies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDisaster Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 What do you guys think Justice needs to go up? I`d say HtW/HtK or something like that would be a good start (this is the model that brought me to Malifaux really) Well a Lawyer can give her HtW. HtK might be a bit much on LJ. Misaki does alright with Bulletproof but she is a tricksy ninja. I struggle to see how we could justify giving a blind woman the ability to dodge bullets with the except of she needs something to prevent her from dying so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lusciousmccabe Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Never seen Daredevil? It might be nice she could use either of the guns she's sculpted with. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 She can shoot them around like crazy creating soft cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trikk Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Deflecting bullets with her Greatsword? to Attack flip would be nice too. Or Df 6. Right now she needs Sidir+Francisco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lusciousmccabe Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 She can shoot them around like crazy creating soft cover. I meant to do something useful. I'm not usually one for idle wishing but it would be nice if she had the Precision trigger off Pistoleros and/or the damage on her attack by default. That sword is kind of her whole schtick outside of the anti-resser niche, it'd be nice if she was actually better with it than anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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