Absolution Black Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 All I hear from this is you want to prance around with nipple tassels and fish net stockings all burlesque style.... That's a powerful mental image right there! Kinda reminds me of this Well, I do it at weekends so if I can extend this for the rest of the week all the better! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybarite Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 So just a little random topic for some fun. If you could be ANY model from the Malifaux game, who would you be and why? Now as much as I dislike Seamus' style of play I think as a character he is a pretty cool character so I'd probably go for Seamus. Why you ask? This is why.... Oh and because he has an awesome hat! So... let's have it, who and why? So you want to be an abusive, extremely sexist serial killer, who specializes in killing female prostitutes? That makes me feel a bit uncomfortable. I know this thread about fictional characters is for fun but I am somewhat disgusted by this. Partly because people think the abusive murderer of female sex workers is funny somehow, and someone they'd want to be. Just makes me feel uneasy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirial Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 So you want to be an abusive, extremely sexist serial killer, who specializes in killing female prostitutes? That makes me feel a bit uncomfortable. I know this thread about fictional characters is for fun but I am somewhat disgusted by this. Partly because people think the abusive murderer of female sex workers is funny somehow, and someone they'd want to be. Just makes me feel uneasy You don't find Seamus funny but offensive? I... kind of get it... but if you don't like the dark humor of this game, I'm somewhat puzzled why you play it. Could you elaborate? I'm really interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybarite Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 There's so much more to this game than the humour of an abusive, sexist serial killer that people somehow think is rather charming. It's not like you have to like all of the characters of a game to enjoy the game. No i don't like Seamus, I don't find him funny, and I don't get why he's cool (other than he's got a fancy hat) but I love a lot about this game. It's awesome on the whole. I'm just a bit uncomfortable when sexual abuse and humour partner up like that. Looking back on my post I feel like I may have been unnessecarily incriminating and aggressive in my tone though. Sorry about that. I had a shit day but I shouldn't let that go out on others! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybarite Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 Ok in an attempt to not just be whiney in this thread meant for fun. I would want to be Kaeris. Because hey she can fly and she does it with some pretty awesome steampunk wings! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengt Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 You don't find Seamus funny but offensive? I... kind of get it... but if you don't like the dark humor of this game, I'm somewhat puzzled why you play it. Could you elaborate? I'm really interested. I don't like Seamus either, for pretty much the same reasons as Sybarite. And this game has many different tones, some things are played for humour, others more as horror, e.g. Jack Daw. So in that context I don't really get why they decided to cast the made-of-misogyny serial killer as one of the funny ones. And it's not like he is satirical or a deconstruction, he is just an outright monster portrayed as a "hilarious" scamp. As for why I would still play the game, I compartmentalize and ignore the iffy bits. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 I have to say I highly doubt that MD wants to be a sexist, abusive, female prostitute serial killer to a point people should get uneasy.. I guess I kinda get the point if I really really try.. But it still it kinda eludes me. It's a character from a game, with a darker theme sure. But I suppose the same could be said about Kaeris. She goes around flying and burning people alive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirial Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 I get why he is played for humour. He is a mesh of Jack the Ripper and the Mad Hatter. The former was probably a horrible person, the latter is hilarious. My personal humour is dark enough to like such a mesh, as it's ridiculous. Also, almost all persons in Malifaux are pretty horrible people, even the heroic ones. Leveticus is played for laughs often enough, and may be the most disgusting of them all. It's a taste thing, but I'm generally not easily offended by literary figures. I like Seamus. He is interesting. He's also disgusting and horrible, but I presume that MD identifies with the funny and interesting part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDisaster Posted February 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 Wow this thread has taken on a very serious tone! So you want to be an abusive, extremely sexist serial killer, who specializes in killing female prostitutes? That makes me feel a bit uncomfortable. I know this thread about fictional characters is for fun but I am somewhat disgusted by this. Partly because people think the abusive murderer of female sex workers is funny somehow, and someone they'd want to be. Just makes me feel uneasy Sorry you feel that way Sybarite however I think you misunderstand my reasons for picking Seamus. I chose Seamus as my pick so I could walk around with a big ass hat and a bigger assed gun cackling to myself maniacally, yes I could have picked Som'er for that however Gremlins aren't my bag! It's not so much the murdering and the resurrection of women to add to my Undead Cat House that appeals to me but the Hat and Gun. I by no means condone murdering prostitutes at all (unless I'm playing Malifaux in which case killing Rotten Belles is highly encouraged!) I can't imagine anybody who would! I've always had a fascination with Jack the Ripper and the history / stories around him and so naturally I'm drawn to Seamus' fluff and character. I also happen to love the Mad Hatter and it's that aspect of the character that amuses me not the dark serial killing nut case who tears open women just to revive them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybarite Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 Zfiend: No I don't expect that of MD either. I just have a problem with an abusive sexist monster being portrayed as one of the funny ones, like Bengt sais. And I think matters like misogynistic murder and abuse are a bit more sensitive than just plain old killing. There's just an entire load of baggage when it comes to such villainy and misogyny. And a lot of people living this earth have had experiences of abuse. Yeah it's not a huge deal that the characer exists. I just have a problem with him being portrayed as a funny, oddly charming(?) guy who you'd wanna be. The whole pimp humour thing is kind of gross too imo. I dunno. MasterDisaster: Yeah I didn't really expect you to truly want to be someone like Seamus or approve of his actions. But like I said abusive, sexist murderers portrayed as super funny and kind of charming makes me feel uneasy, and some of the humour people have about him can make me a little uneasy too. But yeah thanks for the explanation. I dunno. I guess the shitty day, with the very pushy, flirty guy on the tram who kept touching me and wouldn't leave me alone didn't help. Might've effected my tone. like I said earlier, I'm sorry I came off as a bit incriminating and angry before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 No worries Sybarite. We all have those days. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetid Strumpet Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 I am those days. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 I am those days. Just when things were settling a bit you decide to pop in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDisaster Posted February 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 MasterDisaster: Yeah I didn't really expect you to truly want to be someone like Seamus or approve of his actions. But like I said abusive, sexist murderers portrayed as super funny and kind of charming makes me feel uneasy, and some of the humour people have about him can make me a little uneasy too. But yeah thanks for the explanation. I dunno. I guess the shitty day, with the very pushy, flirty guy on the tram who kept touching me and wouldn't leave me alone didn't help. Might've effected my tone. like I said earlier, I'm sorry I came off as a bit incriminating and angry before. That's fair enough. We all react to different things in different ways. I can certainly understand where you are coming from but I thought it best I explain my original decision rather than come off as some twisted psychopath. Don't worry about the tone of your previous comments, it takes more than a few lines on a forum to get under my skin. We all have crappy days, no offense taken 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirial Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 I found this exchange to be really interesting. Thanks for sharing your views, all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requirement Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 I found this exchange to be really interesting. Thanks for sharing your views, all. I second this. Sometimes I forget how lucky we are that the Malifaux community typically doesn't fall apart at the seams the second there is a disagreement or an offense. This is one of many times I have seen discourse like this on the forums over the years and I am always happy to run across it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDisaster Posted February 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 I second this. Sometimes I forget how lucky we are that the Malifaux community typically doesn't fall apart at the seams the second there is a disagreement or an offense. This is one of many times I have seen discourse like this on the forums over the years and I am always happy to run across it. Yeah, we really are lucky in this regard. I've been on a few forums where threads get mod hammered to hell and back because the argument rages out of control. Luckily the Malifaux community is very friendly and for the most part we keep our discussions civilized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poko Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 And I think matters like misogynistic murder and abuse are a bit more sensitive than just plain old killing. As much as I don't like to touch a volatile topic like that, I have to point out that killing and abusing women is in no way worse or more villainous that killing and abusing men. Killing or abusing ANYONE is one of the worst things you can do, and Seamus is in no way worse than say, Pandora, which torments minds of everyone around her, or Lilith, who just wants to commit a wholesale genocide out of racism (specieism?). There are damn few remotely positive characters among the Malifaux Masters in general. That being said, I'd have to pick Lilith. Stylish skull-stomping boots, an army of your own spawn at your disposal, and simple, relaxing task of wiping out the stain of humanity from your world, in a totally fair, non-judgemental way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoyled Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 No pants. Free munchies from work. A nice meat hook to get the TV remote. Did I mention no pants. Everything's coming up Killjoy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admiralvorkraft Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 No pants. Free munchies from work. A nice meat hook to get the TV remote. Did I mention no pants. Everything's coming up Killjoy Ah yes, the politically correct horror that's fun for the whole family! But seriously. Ironsides. Always and forever, Ironsides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirial Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 No pants. Free munchies from work. A nice meat hook to get the TV remote. Did I mention no pants. Everything's coming up Killjoy You make a pretty strong case there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 No pants. Free munchies from work. A nice meat hook to get the TV remote. Did I mention no pants. Everything's coming up Killjoy I am sold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirial Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 Nice signature, man. MD will be jealous that you quote someone else, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 Nice signature, man. MD will be jealous that you quote someone else, though. Haha could be. But it had to be done. Also good morning mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirial Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 Also good morning mate. Likewise. I feel a bit under the weather today, so maybe it will be your big day when you win all our arguments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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