Malal Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 In almost every thread asking for advice you'll see "Slop Haulers are amazing" or words to that effect. What am I missing? I never take them (I rarely even take Dirty Cheater anymore). I can see their value in a Somer summoning list (which I don't run) but in every other list they just seem too reactive. Am I just too callous about my kin's survival (or are you all too sentimental?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireuser Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 With the Kin, I think you could have them all go reckless, shoot people, and then have the hauler heal your guys. Unless you flip a Black Joker he basically gives four gremlins fast. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math Mathonwy Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 Healing is amazing but even without it they are crazy good. Tossed Slop is amazing stuff, Bayou Two-card, Reckless - they are ridiculously good.As for the healing, I often heal over 15 wounds per game per Slop Hauler (and that's with the enemy gunning for them, since they are so important). Seriously, that is huge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 Healing is amazing but even without it they are crazy good. Tossed Slop is amazing stuff, Bayou Two-card, Reckless - they are ridiculously good. They really are ridiculous. I don't play (filthy filthy filthy) gremlins but I have played a couple of times now against Math's Gremlins and whoosah are they annoying. You think you are getting damage in, well you aren't, you think them taking Reckless to destroy you even more efficiently at least weakens the lot, well it doesn't, you think that they won't be using Dumb Luck due to it backfiring, well they will. Slop Haulers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirial Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 Ever shot you own guy with Slop and blasted onto a Df 9 Perdita? Now, that's the moment to cackle maniacally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uktena Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 Mostly I see them working alongside Kin, and they basically count as Fast with a minor down payment. They mitigate dumb luck also, making them real value multipliers in my eyes. Plus, support models go well with pretty much any strategy, even reckoning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 Ever shot you own guy with Slop and blasted onto a Df 9 Perdita? Now, that's the moment to cackle maniacally. DELETE THIS POST IMMEDIATELY BEFORE MATH SEES IT! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirial Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 If I suffer from this, others may as well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 If I suffer from this, others may as well. "I do not hope for a better world for anyone. In fact, I want my pain to be inflicted on others. I want no one to escape." - American Psycho 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math Mathonwy Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 DELETE THIS POST IMMEDIATELY BEFORE MATH SEES IT! I have actually had this little gem in my backpocket for a while now but there hasn't been a suitable opportunity to use it. Too bad you saw it before I had a chance to inflict it :D 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 I have actually had this little gem in my backpocket for a while now but there hasn't been a suitable opportunity to use it. Too bad you saw it before I had a chance to inflict it :D I was already ready to declare Dirial my new mortal enemy but it turns out that actually once again he posted something amazing and helpful? I am so confused right now.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypoking Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 'You sing of young gods easily in the days when you are young; But I go smelling yew and sods, and I know there are gods behind the gods, gods that are best unsung And a man grows ugly for women, and a man grows dull for ale, well if he finds in his soul at last Fury, that does not fail' 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirial Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 I was already ready to declare Dirial my new mortal enemy but it turns out that actually once again he posted something amazing and helpful? I am so confused right now.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malal Posted September 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 Yeah, I get what they do. I guess I've never really felt I needed the healing. I tend to play Wong with a bit of Ophelia and Brewie and generally run pretty elite lists (I'm often out activated). I guess they just don't fit my playstyle. It just seemed strange how they're almost universally seen as golden. Do things tend to fall apart if you run crews without them or are they almost auto-include? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
necroon Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 'You sing of young gods easily in the days when you are young; But I go smelling yew and sods, and I know there are gods behind the gods, gods that are best unsung And a man grows ugly for women, and a man grows dull for ale, well if he finds in his soul at last Fury, that does not fail' >Insert slow clap here< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omenbringer Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 I think Slop Haulers are a good choice as long as you have a method of moving them without utilizing their AP. Without that they tend to either get left behind or weigh down the crew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grave13 Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 Slop hauler says "let me sing you the song of my people" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baalbamoth Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 hitting a big DF mook with -4 def means piglets can cause wounds to it... hitting it with the Ulix splash that calls all pigs within 6 to attack the mook after that... priceless... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math Mathonwy Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 Yeah, I get what they do. I guess I've never really felt I needed the healing. I tend to play Wong with a bit of Ophelia and Brewie and generally run pretty elite lists (I'm often out activated).But healing is especially good for elites. Non-elites can die from full health but elites often don't so you can heal them in between. And really, they aren't just heal bots - dropping stuff to Df4 can be absolutely devastating and their damage track doesn't suck for a 5SS Minion with easy access to three AP and the awesome power of Bayou Two-Card.I guess they just don't fit my playstyle. It just seemed strange how they're almost universally seen as golden. Do things tend to fall apart if you run crews without them or are they almost auto-include?Auto-include for me. They are, along with Belles and Witchling Stalkers the very cream of the crop when it comes to 5SS Minions. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiny Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 Zoraida loves some slop haulers, hem something with the voodoo doll then u can get the df 4 debuff on it really easy, lilith in particular is a great target for this, low wp and high df. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vorschlag Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 Yeh the lowering df and healing makes them possibly the best 5ss minion most Gremlin masters can take. If you take Lenny they become mobile healing unit, gremlin ambulance conversion...? Otherwise as has been said Zoraida and Somer both benefit from them, Lenny could make them work with anyone but that's expensive, If your taking him with either Ophelia or Wong you should see the benefit though. I'm waiting on the boxes to try the Brew-Master and Ulix but I'm sure someone has worked some nasty combinations out with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumb Luck Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 They are a must have in a Som'er Recon list. Granted, I'd only ever take one. But a solid five points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pip Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 I've been playing Ulix for about 6 or so games now and have been taking a pure all pig crew which has been heaps of fun. I've been reading the rage on the forums about how good models like Garcie, Old Major, The Sow, etc, have been with Ulix abilities like "Shot in the Rear" and stuff like that. After reading the comments on this particualr thread and going back to read the rules for the Slop Hauler and the Hog Whisperer, I can only say (again, with Ulix in mind) is that some of the potential these two models bring to not just a Ulix crew but, as has been discussed, various other Gremlin builds, is truly game winning. I'd like to play and face a Ulix crew with these two models just to see how broken and difficult this type of crew is to play. Cheers, Pip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadeton Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 If you take Lenny they become mobile healing unit, gremlin ambulance conversion...? Somebody please do up Lenny in a nurse's outfit... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malal Posted September 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 I take everyone's points, I still don't see them as great as everyone else (not saying they're bad, just not my play style. Been thinking and my main crew, Wong w/ Sammy + Trixie, keeps my opponent far enough away that I don't really take that much damage, therefore don't need the healing. I'll certainly give them another try when I try some other masters again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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