Jonas Albrecht Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 Long foretold in writings of Old Malifaux, the thread that threatens to bring about the Wyrd forum End Times is here! So let's get on with it. Who sits comfortable in Tier 1? What Tier 3 nerds deserve a promotion? Is anyone keeping Marcus company in Tier Marcus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukrocky Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 Sigh. No offence, but this is going to turn into a pointless thread of "But my master should be higher". So to start off; Tier 1; Marcus Tier 2; Som'er Tier 3; Ramos Tier 4; Everyone else. Noone is as bent as those 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Albrecht Posted August 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 Sigh. No offence, but this is going to turn into a pointless thread of "But my master should be higher". Of course it is. I have zero interest in a serious Tier debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sholto Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 Are there any lists so odd, weird or just downright bad that they actually cause themselves damage, and keep on doing it, without the opponent doing anything? I am thinking of something based around Leveticus without any Hollow Waifs, maybe Killjoy in there as well to sac Levi and then attack you own guys. What is the worst list you could come up with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sephiroa Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 masters are as good as the player who plays with them and has experience with them, give me a the dreamer crew and i will lose, give me a marus crew, 9/10 i will win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 Are there any lists so odd, weird or just downright bad that they actually cause themselves damage, and keep on doing it, without the opponent doing anything? I am thinking of something based around Leviticus without any Hollow Waifs, maybe Killjoy in there as well to sac Levi and then attack you own guys. What is the worst list you could come up with? I'm fairly certain I could build a gremlin crew that wipes itself off the board first activation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenrir Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 Are master tiers really appropriate for the way the game is? It'd be faction tiers, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sholto Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 I'm fairly certain I could build a gremlin crew that wipes itself off the board first activation. Kirai could probably do something similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sliver Chocobo Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 my thoughts Tear 1 Dreamer Pandora Lady justice, (as long as she's with Lucius) Tear 2 Lilith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetid Strumpet Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 Tears: Of a $$$$$$$$$$. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nilus Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 I'm fairly certain I could build a gremlin crew that wipes itself off the board first activation. Thats easy, I can do that with an Ortega crew as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nilus Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 (edited) Tier 1) Guild Tier 100000000000) Everyone else Tier Marcus) Marcus GUILD DOMINATION! YEAR OF THE RAM! End of line Edited August 26, 2011 by nilus Forgot Tier Marcus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 Taking things seriously, because I have very little to do at the office right now... Faction-wise, things stack up roughly like this: Neverborn Outcasts Ressers Guild-Arcanists With the difference between levels being relatively small. Master-wise, I'd break things down like this: Tier 0: The Dreamer/LCB Tier 1: Hamelin Colette DuBois Kirai Ankoku Perdita Ortega Pandora Collodi Zoraida Leveticus Tier 2: Rasputina Lady Justice Lilith Victorias Seamus Nicodem Sonnia Criid Som'er Teeth Jones Tier 3: C. Hoffman Viktor Ramos McMourning The Remainder of the Henchmen Tier Marcus: Marcus And, in explanation: Tier 0 is slightly meta-deforming. You have to have an answer to things in this category because they will show up time and time again. Tier 1 is your standard highly-competitive tournament Masters. Tier 2 isn't a bad choice, but isn't the best of choices either, but you're not hurting yourself too badly by using them. Tier 3 isn't really strongly recommended. Tier Marcus is funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolomyte Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 My changes! Neverborn Guild-Arcanists-Outcasts Ressers With the difference between levels being relatively small. Master-wise, I'd break things down like this: Tier 1: The Dreamer/LCB Hamelin Colette DuBois Kirai Ankoku Perdita Ortega Pandora Collodi Lilith Tier 2: Rasputina Lady Justice Victorias Seamus Nicodem Sonnia Criid Som'er Teeth Jones Zoraida Leveticus Marcus (I know, I know, ukrocky makes me want to believe) Tier 3: C. Hoffman Marcus Avatar Viktor Ramos (based on calmdowns opinion) McMourning The Remainder of the Henchmen Tier Marcus: No Avatar Ramos And, in explanation: Tier 1 is your standard highly-competitive tournament Masters. Tier 2 isn't a bad choice, but isn't the best of choices either, but you're not hurting yourself too badly by using them. Tier 3 isn't really strongly recommended. Tier Marcus is funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgraz Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 Tier Marcus.......so wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nilus Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 I wonder why you guys all rank McMourning so low. I have seen people to some rather nasty things with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolomyte Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 I wonder why you guys all rank McMourning so low. I have seen people to some rather nasty things with him. im suprised you did not catch me listing marcus twice. once for ukrocky and once for everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calmdown Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 I broadly agree with both of the above lists but I think you've missed the ever-important T1.5; models that will often beat T2, but often lose to T1. T3 is normally reserved for things that pretty much dont win. T1 is pretty much Dreamer, Pandora, Collodi, Kirai, Collette, Hamelin. I'm not sure that Dreamer is really better than all of these particularly; I think the main problem with Dreamer is that a lot of lists simply cant deal with him and he'll auto beat them, but that's not true for the T1 masters. I'd put Zoraida and Lilith in 1.5, mostly by virtue of Neverborn minion strength. I'd put everything else in T2. I think that there is enough variation in Malifaux to say that anything other than the above masters with their obvious advantages can win games against anything else, and at this level minions define the lists rather than masters. If a T3 exists, and you could argue that it does, I'd probably only put Nicodem and Ramos in it. Marcus is definitely T2, but tier Marcus is funnier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeaDHunTeRfs Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 (edited) Tier Marcus.......so wrong. You mean so awesome! Dont you? Edited August 26, 2011 by HeaDHunTeRfs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sliver Chocobo Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 I think Lady J is tear 1purly for the Comoros with Lucius, two students and peacekeeper can do, it might not as good as Alp Bomb, but a peacekeeper with Fast and Melee in face on turn 1 followed by fast Lady J on turn two isn't fun (and just for the ressers her in your deployment zone next to ALL you models and watch her restore natural order. Not fun) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 I broadly agree with both of the above lists but I think you've missed the ever-important T1.5; models that will often beat T2, but often lose to T1. T3 is normally reserved for things that pretty much dont win. I dislike the concept of a 1.5, which is why I didn't include it. The very notion is kind of shoddy and stinks of "throwing it in" after the fact. T1 is pretty much Dreamer, Pandora, Collodi, Kirai, Collette, Hamelin. I'm not sure that Dreamer is really better than all of these particularly; I think the main problem with Dreamer is that a lot of lists simply cant deal with him and he'll auto beat them, but that's not true for the T1 masters. The auto-win situation is what pushes the Dreamer/LCB up to Tier 0 in my book. That and his complete and total saturation at every competition I've been at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sliver Chocobo Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 I broadly agree with both of the above lists but I think you've missed the ever-important T1.5; models that will often beat T2, but often lose to T1. T3 is normally reserved for things that pretty much dont win. T1 is pretty much Dreamer, Pandora, Collodi, Kirai, Collette, Hamelin. I'm not sure that Dreamer is really better than all of these particularly; I think the main problem with Dreamer is that a lot of lists simply cant deal with him and he'll auto beat them, but that's not true for the T1 masters. I'd put Zoraida and Lilith in 1.5, mostly by virtue of Neverborn minion strength. I'd put everything else in T2. I think that there is enough variation in Malifaux to say that anything other than the above masters with their obvious advantages can win games against anything else, and at this level minions define the lists rather than masters. If a T3 exists, and you could argue that it does, I'd probably only put Nicodem and Ramos in it. Marcus is definitely T2, but tier Marcus is funnier. I don't see the point of tear 1.5 why not just call it tear 2, what ever was tear 2 before tear 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferb Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 If you're going to have a tier 1.5 you may as well just have a league table ranking each master seperately. Tier 1 are the best, tier 3 are the worst. Everything else is tier 2, but that doesn't imply that all models in any tier are of equal ability. Ferb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math Mathonwy Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 Tier 1) Guild Tier 100000000000) Everyone else Tier Marcus) Marcus GUILD DOMINATION! YEAR OF THE RAM! End of line Are you seriously going to keep doing this for a full year? Because man... It was amusing the first time or two but you're laying it a bit thick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karn987 Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 Tier 1) Guild Tier 100000000000) Everyone else Tier Marcus) Marcus GUILD DOMINATION! YEAR OF THE RAM! End of line Keep up the faith man! You'll make it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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