Is Reactivate a Talent? - Hoffman

[TalonRaven]

I'm checking on the legality of this, because I think it's a pretty darn powerful combo...

C.Hoffman has a spell called (2) Overwrite Edict...

Activate target Construct after this model's activation ends. If the target Construct has activated previously this turn, it gains Reactivate. This model's Controller controls the target during this activation After this activation, the target cannot activate again this turn

... and an action called (0) Assimilate

This model gains one Talent or Spell possessed by target Construct within 6". Effects that reference a model by name cannot by assimilated

Now, consider the scenario where Hoffman casts Overwrite Edict on a Peacekeeper, who has already activated during that turn thus gaining the ability Reactivate.

According to Rules Manual, pg 34, Action Modifiers, Reactivate is one of the four Abilities that is collectively known as Action Modifiers. On pg 12, Abilities are defined as a Talent. Therefore, Reactivate is a Talent, and Hoffman can use (0) Assimilate to gain Reactivate, allowing him to go again during that turn. Well, not immediately after, but the point is that he gets to go again.

I searched on the forums, but this thread was inconclusive on the Hoffman Assimilating Reactivate, and I felt that the main issue relies on two things:

1) Is Reactivate a Talent?

2) If a Construct "gains" a Talent, does it count as "possessing" it for purposes of Assimilate?

[i_was_like_you]

It's just a good thing that avatar talents and spells cannot be copied by other non-avatar models. Otherwise Lazarus would be out of control gaining avatar Ramos powers.

[96p]

Activate target Construct after this model's activation ends. If the target Construct has activated previously this turn, it gains Reactivate. This model's Controller controls the target during this activation After this activation, the target cannot activate again this turn

In My Book it says:

Activate target Construct, after this model's activation ends, regardless of wether target hast activated or not this turn. This model's Controller controls the target during this activation. After this activation target cannot activate again this turn.

and I can find no errate changing it Oo

[Da Big Baws]

In My Book it says:

Activate target Construct, after this model's activation ends, regardless of wether target hast activated or not this turn. This model's Controller controls the target during this activation. After this activation target cannot activate again this turn.

and I can find no errate changing it Oo

I think that is a case of Card vs Book. Card supersedes.

[96p]

to bad, the books solution was clear and doubtless

[Spiku]

I would have thought it would depend on the edition of the card in relation to the book?

Wish the store would come back up so I could get my v2 Gremlinette card =<

[i_was_like_you]

It finally did come back!

[bropps85]

Is a ruling in the works on this one?

[Da Big Baws]

Is a ruling in the works on this one?

This. The Hoff demands a ruling.

[Csonti]

Patience guys! Only 4 months has passed since the OP's post... :iam:

[fixerupperguy]

Just a quick aside, Does the slow from Tap Power stay on a model after

The turn ends?

[tadaka]

Slow will stay on a model until the next time it activates so it can stay from round to round if needed

[Cadilon]

Slow will stay on a model until the next time it activates so it can stay from round to round if needed

This is something I screwed up for a while. Seemed like a great deal to Tap Power on the Mobile Toolbox after it activated and have it come back next turn without Slow. Turns out that was too good to be true.

[fixerupperguy]

This is something I screwed up for a while. Seemed like a great deal to Tap Power on the Mobile Toolbox after it activated and have it come back next turn without Slow. Turns out that was too good to be true.

Yeah, thats what i've been doing...

[Dolomyte]

Patience guys! Only 4 months has passed since the OP's post... :iam:

It's a hard one to figure out. They're going to include the ruling with the next book =p

[tadaka]

Peersonaly i think there is some truth to this. The rulings have gone a bit silent as of late. Last time we had a lot of questions building up with no answers we got the rules manual announcment. Perhaps we will see a new faq come to olight.

[nilus]

I hear they have decided to schedule the ruling for December 22nd 2012.

[sharpobjects]

They better not ruin my christmas I think they should wait until New Years Day when I am hung over and not thinking straight

[nilus]

They better not ruin my christmas I think they should wait until New Years Day when I am hung over and not thinking straight

Note the year, It was a joke.

That is the day after the world ends, if you believe a bunch of weirdos.

[sharpobjects]

Bah LOL, i missed the year, I must be hung over now and not thinking straight

[Caleb]

Aaaand it's officially half a year now without an answer

[i_was_like_you]

Aaaand it's officially half a year now without an answer

That's a buzz kill. Still, saying that the ruling won't arrive until book 4 probably isn't too far off-base. I'd reckon that they won't release Lazbot until right around GenCon, or a month, just like with Ashes & Dust. He still has too many kinks to work out in the meantime. I do hope that they're not having any sculpting issues, like I'd heard was also the case with A&D. Then again, it was a three part model, as opposed to just another robot, no matter how impressive the (potential) stats for said robot may be.

[Cadilon]

This is a little OT, but perhaps this is a sign that a significant rewrite is in the works. I am a new gamer (about a year) and not hardly a miniatures rules expert. Malifaux is about the only game I play. Its a good system and seems to work fine 90% of the time. But there are some areas where the 'gears' just don't seem to mesh and could stand some tightening up.

[Oshova]

This is a little OT, but perhaps this is a sign that a significant rewrite is in the works. I am a new gamer (about a year) and not hardly a miniatures rules expert. Malifaux is about the only game I play. Its a good system and seems to work fine 90% of the time. But there are some areas where the 'gears' just don't seem to mesh and could stand some tightening up.

That could be said of most games (even the big selling ones such as Games Workshop and Privateer Press games), but for Wyrd most kinks can be worked out by rewording a lot of sentences on cards and in the books. The Rules Manual helped a lot in sorting out some kinks, and 90% of problems are sorted out by 1 or 2 sentences having been missed in it.

Sadly, this ruling is in that 10% where the rules aren't as clear, and this has meant a long wait (admittedly 6 months is a very long time)

[tadaka]

Malifaux will never be 100% clear. The nature of having a 1000 different abilities on each card is going to have holes. All we need is a faq that happens to get monthly updates.

Over all the game works well. Fact is people want to know if they are playing correctly.

[Wolfgar]

Some things can be helped through clearer wording, and somethings can be addressed with a simple FAQ. Malifaux is pretty young as games go though, so it has plenty of time to grow and refine itself.