Breotan Posted August 5, 2016 Report Share Posted August 5, 2016 So, things have started to appear in people's Wyrd Bag. The current view is that the miniatures are pre-assembled and made from something like PVC instead of polystyrene as Malifaux is. I understand that some people like this sort of thing however I refuse to buy PVC. That's one of the main reasons I don't play Warmachine anymore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinnamon Bear Posted August 5, 2016 Report Share Posted August 5, 2016 Honestly I'm not too bothered by PVC, and coming preassembled means a lower barrier to entry for new players. Could be a savvy move if done well. Also really like the movement bases. I know PVC isn't ideal, but Aionus didn't seem too bad. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solkan Posted August 5, 2016 Report Share Posted August 5, 2016 Totally reposting this from Facebook: Kickstarter. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinnamon Bear Posted August 5, 2016 Report Share Posted August 5, 2016 Well.... I think I might be in but that all depends on how ridiculous shipping costs end up being. Kind of torn on kickstarters though, honestly. Very easy to get out of hand, and I'm already still waiting on tons of additional miniatures being sent to my US address from something I kickstarted like 4 years ago. Flip side is that there were great Malifaux models released with the TTB kickstarter that would have been nice to have (looking at you, Hannah) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Loki- Posted August 5, 2016 Report Share Posted August 5, 2016 My only experience with their pre-built PVC is the Tortoise and Hare, and I've got no issue with the material. Can't wait to see the kickstarter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrflamme Posted August 5, 2016 Report Share Posted August 5, 2016 Really looking forward to the Kickstarter. I started Malifaux with 10T (although the way 10T is structured, it inevitably led me into other factions), so I'm really hoping to see a Three Kingdoms-inspired army. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomjoad Posted August 5, 2016 Report Share Posted August 5, 2016 I've been really happy with the PVC minis I've got from Wyrd so far. Aionus and the Tortoise & the Hare were great. That said, there are a lot if things here that might make some people skeptical. Some people, we know, don't like the material. Some people are hesitant to use Kickstarter at this point. Some people are just turned off by titan sized models. I trust Wyrd in general though, and I do hope this is a big hit, whether I end up diving in or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parker Barrows Posted August 5, 2016 Report Share Posted August 5, 2016 (edited) I'm always happy not assembling. My Yan Lo still does not have a lower jaw. It looks pretty interesting. I might (probably will) go for it. Some other Allegiances I want to see: One led by the undying Russian Tzar. And necromancers of Spain. The Three Kingdoms. Edited August 5, 2016 by Parker Barrows Added in what I want to see 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinnamon Bear Posted August 5, 2016 Report Share Posted August 5, 2016 Yeah, the undying Tzar is mentioned in a handful of places and it has a lot of promise. Not going to lie, I'm a fan of the British art released so far (I wonder if the focus on the UK has anything to do with how popular Malifaux is getting over there or GW's blood in the water). Fishmen I'm extremely excited for. Not a huge fan of their titan, but I like the design on the smaller guys. Will be interesting to see wha their deal is...while rereading Under Quarantine I came across some interesting notes about a temple to some sort of "Water God" discovered under the sewers. The speckled creepers have also shown up in at least one TtB adventure as a lost ocean denizen that accidentally wound up traveling through the bayou and ending up in the riverway. Abyssinia getting a call out is really interesting to me. Ethiopia has a fascinating history and it would be great to see some more African representation. Entirely random, but a good friend of mine has been doing his field research on spirit possession and the Ethiopian Orthodox church there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted August 5, 2016 Report Share Posted August 5, 2016 PVC? Preassembling? That's terrible news, actually. I very like connection between this " ...every model will come preassembled..." and this "...models with high levels of detail, allowing painters plenty of opportunity to paint...". One excludes the other. It's impossible to paint tricky preassembled models. And Aionus is quite not good model. My hope is PVC will be only the field of the Other Side. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Lo Posted August 5, 2016 Report Share Posted August 5, 2016 I am perfectly happy leaving my serious modeling efforts to small scale skirmish sized games where the effort isn't drowned out by 50+ other models on the table. It's not like there aren't enough Malifaux models coming out to keep most people busy enough. Having gone through the effort of building and painting repetitive model armies, honestly I'm kinda over it, and am content to actually play the games instead. The whole industry is moving towards the 'streamlined' game idea, having models prebuilt and based is a logical step in that direction. Especially considering they've said multiple times they're not looking for the malifaux gamer market and want to get a whole different type of wallet to pull from, from a success of the game standpoint, none of this seems like a bad call. The "imaginative, streamlined, ready to play game from the makers of Malifaux" is a pretty solid tagline from which to build a Kickstarter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfpact Posted August 5, 2016 Report Share Posted August 5, 2016 It's WW1 with Malifaux elements. That's all I need to know - that and the fact we're finally going to learn more about Earthside in the Malifaux 'verse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinnamon Bear Posted August 5, 2016 Report Share Posted August 5, 2016 Hopefully they've got a nice Starter Set product at a reasonable price point planned to help launch the game off right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omenbringer Posted August 5, 2016 Report Share Posted August 5, 2016 11 hours ago, Cinnamon Bear said: Well.... I think I might be in but that all depends on how ridiculous shipping costs end up being. Kind of torn on kickstarters though, honestly. Very easy to get out of hand, and I'm already still waiting on tons of additional miniatures being sent to my US address from something I kickstarted like 4 years ago. Flip side is that there were great Malifaux models released with the TTB kickstarter that would have been nice to have (looking at you, Hannah) I agree that the TtB Hannah model is an absolutely beautiful model (much better than the general release "Relic Knights" Hannah model where Hannah seems superfluous on the frame). I would also say the Multipart Male model was nicely done, however the female one (at least for those of us that got them via the kickstarter not sure if this is still true about the general release ones available now) had a major issue with elongated limbs. My only hope is that Wyrd has learned from that particular Kickstarter campaign. It would seem they have already taken some very positive steps toward remedying a lot of the issues with that previous campaign though. The "bag" announcement coupled with the fact we have already seen some of the titan models strongly indicates this isn't an "I have a neat idea" KS that will require not just the production capital but also time for actual development of the idea. This also means we might see an actually realistic delivery timeline for the product instead of the usual U.S.E.W.A.G. (un scientific extremely wild ass guess) game industry KS promote. Wyrd lost a lot of their previously good reputation with that particular KS campaign. I for one am willing to trust them again. The company is very different than it was then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadaverousbirth Posted August 5, 2016 Report Share Posted August 5, 2016 Assembling models is my favorite part of the hobby so that news is kind of a bummer. I actually like the challenge some of the Wyrd kits pose, it fires up my hobby engine. If I could get paid to assemble all day... If the rules are solid and the minis are awesome, neither of which I doubt, I think it is a small sacrifice to the hobby gods to have another excellent game on the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solkan Posted August 5, 2016 Report Share Posted August 5, 2016 To be really frank, the thing which annoys me about pre-assembled is going through and fixing minor gaps that the factory worker wasn't paid to worry about. I'll grant that it probably eliminates a lot of customer service work by eliminating most of the missing part requests, but if there was a decent way to split the Tortoise or Hare models back into their components, clean them, and reassemble them, I would. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D_acolyte Posted August 5, 2016 Report Share Posted August 5, 2016 Hmm I am surprised they are doing another KS. Check wallet, right ramen for another month. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomjoad Posted August 5, 2016 Report Share Posted August 5, 2016 3 hours ago, Omenbringer said: It would seem they have already taken some very positive steps toward remedying a lot of the issues with that previous campaign though. The "bag" announcement coupled with the fact we have already seen some of the titan models strongly indicates this isn't an "I have a neat idea" KS that will require not just the production capital but also time for actual development of the idea. This also means we might see an actually realistic delivery timeline for the product instead of the usual U.S.E.W.A.G. (un scientific extremely wild ass guess) game industry KS promote. We also know they've done a lot of the rules development already, since they put out a request for beta testers right around the end of the wave 4 closed beta. I have no idea how that's gone, or if it's even still ongoing, but it's an indication that a lot of the work for this product is done and it should be closer to ready than a great many Kickstarters are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breotan Posted August 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 10 hours ago, Cadaverousbirth said: Assembling models is my favorite part of the hobby so that news is kind of a bummer. I actually like the challenge some of the Wyrd kits pose, it fires up my hobby engine. If I could get paid to assemble all day... Yea, I'd take that job in a heartbeat. I've gotten used to Wyrd's miniatures so that I can assemble them without gaps or misaligning parts. Kindgom Death helped a lot with that, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Loki- Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 9 hours ago, solkan said: To be really frank, the thing which annoys me about pre-assembled is going through and fixing minor gaps that the factory worker wasn't paid to worry about. I'll grant that it probably eliminates a lot of customer service work by eliminating most of the missing part requests, but if there was a decent way to split the Tortoise or Hare models back into their components, clean them, and reassemble them, I would. While it's a limited pool, I've had far less seams on the Wyrd prebuilds than from their HIPS models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinnamon Bear Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 I do love assembling, I must admit. I put on a movie or something to watch in the background and just sort of zone out cleaning mold lines, fitting and gluing parts, playing with bases and filling gaps. I find it pretty relaxing. I'm fine with not having to do it too, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breotan Posted August 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 I'm hearing that The Other Side is in a different scale and targets a different audience than Malifaux. While I can understand the decision behind that, I am also a little disappointed as it precludes cross-breach clashes which could be fun. I guess that can play out in a TTB campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinnamon Bear Posted August 7, 2016 Report Share Posted August 7, 2016 Looks like Gmorts has a few more photos up about The Other Side- breaches appear over London and poor confused fishmen pop out and just want to go home, and those ruthless brits begin gunning them down. It looks like theres just the two allegiances so far, The Kings Empire and the Gibbering Hordes. I suppose that means in the Kickstarter the first two to be added will be the Cult of the Burning Man and Abyssinia. I can't find it at the moment, but I feel like we've seen pictures of fiery burning man Other Side models in a preview thread, next to the Titan models. They looked a bit neverborn/gremlin-y, personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omenbringer Posted August 7, 2016 Report Share Posted August 7, 2016 Any one have a date for the Kickstarter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Posted August 8, 2016 Report Share Posted August 8, 2016 @Cinnamon Bear On 05.08.2016 at 1:48 PM, Cinnamon Bear said: Yeah, the undying Tzar is mentioned in a handful of places and it has a lot of promise. I can remember him just in a one Nythera pregen bio. Could you tell me other sources? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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