tomjoad Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 You guys, I am afraid of a certain henchwoman who's model will be hitting the tables more and more soon. I am talking about one Anna Lovelace and her potentially oppressive 8" aura of anti-movement-trick. We have an incredible number of models who not only have pushes and places that Anna will interrupt, but these are models who's utility is hinged in many ways on being able to get these pushes. We have 4 Masters out of 7 (Shenlong, McCabe, Yan Lo, Mei Fang) who get a lot of utility out of pushes/places, and there are probably 10,000 hireable models who either need these pushes to be maximized (Yu, tengu, 10T Brothers, Shadow Emissary, Lone Swordsman/jorogumo/high river monks, wandering river monks, torakage...this is all off the top of my head, I'm sure I'm missing some). Having a 9 wound soulstone user with armor that can stop these models from being able to set up out charges, shots, and schemes is going to be no laughing matter, I fear. So, if Anna joins Johan as the most popular mercs seen on the table, what thoughts do we all have for how to deal with her? With a gun that has weak damage 3 she is representing a threat to our models as well as our movement, and with her defensive capabilities it will take some work to take her down. Do we try to kill her? Develop ways to avoid her? Does anybody here have any practical experience with combatting her? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniello_s Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 Sway her to join your ranks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomjoad Posted June 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 3 minutes ago, daniello_s said: Sway her to join your ranks But that doesn't really do anything to help the problems she's causing to our movement and efficiency options does it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniello_s Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 34 minutes ago, tomjoad said: But that doesn't really do anything to help the problems she's causing to our movement and efficiency options does it? Not really I think if you want to still benefit from pushes/placements you can either ignore her/go around her but this is not always best idea or commit some resources and try to kill her but as she has very good Df/Wp, Armour +1 plus she is Henchwoman so it won't be easy to kill her. Something with good damage track and Glowing Sabre attached might be useful here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yvarre Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 Push Huggy up to her bubble with fast and casting expert from Endless Darkness. Pop Recalled Training. Charge in with 4 AP of attacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eclipse Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 As Yvarre said, assault with Huggy. Or Izamu, if she is a little weakened. Or a Jorogumo? Or just shoot her dead with snipers (this might take a while...). She is troublesome for sure, though - one of the models in the game that modify the way the game is played, and in a nasty way for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skitt_Happens Posted June 26, 2016 Report Share Posted June 26, 2016 I've played against her once, on Vassal. She was a very short term nuisance: she's reasonably tough but not spectacular in that regard, the blocking of pushes is a pain if you try to go past her but I can't think of a hitter that doesn't have at least an 8" threat range. Treat her as a priority target and she shouldn't cause you too much trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_havoc Posted June 26, 2016 Report Share Posted June 26, 2016 I think it'll be fine for the most part. I do worry about her and Rusty Alice or Hamelin with their anti-charge Auras. That might make life quite difficult. I don't know it's not the end of the world but will be super annoying. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yvarre Posted June 26, 2016 Report Share Posted June 26, 2016 I think I'm most concerned with wanting to own more filthy Ressur models and fielding her. Though the models she seemingly not so reliably can summon aren't super high impact, activation control can often be key to forcing an opponent into unfavorable positioning decisions, and all we have so far that can summon is Toshy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrflamme Posted June 26, 2016 Report Share Posted June 26, 2016 I can't remember whether she has a 40 or 50mm base, but either way it'll be difficult to screen her, so I anticipate I'll be able to have a sniper of some sort on her from t1 if I'm really concerned about her (barring something like a Yan Lo Ancestor list where I might be strapped for points between Izamu/Emissary/Toshiro). on attack and usually straight flip on damage, plus the odd crit strike trigger or armor ignore, should either put the hurt on her or force soulstone burning, either of which I'm fine with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticPangolin Posted June 27, 2016 Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 I'm thinking of running her with Brewie to stop enemies more easily escaping Drinking Contest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetid Strumpet Posted June 27, 2016 Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 She's not really good at stopping escape. You'd have to be pretty much right next to her to not be able to end outside of 8" with most movement abilities. She's much better at stopping models from getting in than getting out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticPangolin Posted June 27, 2016 Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 Good point, I'll need to try it out when I get some more time as that range could be more restrictive than I first imagined. There are a lot of effects that are <=6" though, which if you're in close with her (and if you have some good tricks to move the enemy in to Brewie to begin with which I tend to run with him anyway) make it less likely for anyone to escape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLittleThunder Posted June 27, 2016 Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 Keep in mind that an enemy Anna will prevent you from pushing/placing your own models, but does nothing to protect the opponent's models. Set up a kill box and then use Sensei Yu/Beckoner/Oiran/Performer/Huggy/etc. to pull Anna into it, and her power is much less relevant. I think the only 10T master whose style she'll really cramp is Yan Lo, but it shouldn't be disastrous. I will say that I hire her pretty often myself, especially in scenarios like Turf War/Interference, and haven't regretted it yet. Her damage isn't huge, but is very reliable, and she's quite durable, with access to a lot of good triggers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D_acolyte Posted June 27, 2016 Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 It is all about evolving, I am also looking at her with the idea that I might need to change my strategies because I love pushing my models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rurouni Benshin Posted June 27, 2016 Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 I've played against Anna once, and I didn't really experience a lot of adverse effects from her. Situationally, I didn't need to do a whole lot of pushing with my models, and the strategy at the time (Extraction) didn't really necessitate them. I was playing Mei Feng vs Kirai, and because of "Vent Steam", it kept Anna out of combat for awhile. On the 3rd turn of the game, I managed to kill her with Mei Feng, but again, different players will have different experiences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticPangolin Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 17 hours ago, OneLittleThunder said: I will say that I hire here pretty often myself, especially in scenarios like Turf War/Interference, and haven't regretted it yet. Her damage isn't huge, but is very reliable, and she's quite durable, with access to a lot of good triggers. Do her Clockwork Dress and Gravity Well abilities come into play much when you do use her? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLittleThunder Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 3 hours ago, ArcticPangolin said: Do her Clockwork Dress and Gravity Well abilities come into play much when you do use her? Usually once or twice a game the opponent will try to do a push or place and then realize (or be reminded) that Anna prevents it. But I regularly hear them grumble about her preventing something they want to do, so I think her aura is pretty frequently a factor. Obviously, it depends on the crew; Masters like Lilith and Kirai, as well as Guild crews relying on Austringers, hate her. A shooty crew like Ophelia or Rasputina doesn't care so much. And as @tomjoad points out, a lot of 10T Masters find her particularly restrictive, in 10T or their native faction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticPangolin Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 There are a lot of pushes in 10T when you think about it. I know my McCabe would be sad to see all those pushes and By Your Side's going to waste, making her a prime target for an extreme haircut from the Glowing Sabre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomicaphex Posted July 3, 2016 Report Share Posted July 3, 2016 Hi, I confused! Where can one find this Anna Lovelace? She is not on the Wyrd webstore or Element Games (where I usually buy my toys). I am newish to Malifaux so forgive me if the question is very noobish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lakshman Posted July 3, 2016 Report Share Posted July 3, 2016 She is from the Wave 3 book - Shifting Loyalties. The model is not out yet, so for now you can only proxy her or use her on Vassal, but it's due to be released soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomicaphex Posted July 3, 2016 Report Share Posted July 3, 2016 1 hour ago, Lakshman said: She is from the Wave 3 book - Shifting Loyalties. The model is not out yet, so for now you can only proxy her or use her on Vassal, but it's due to be released soon. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santaclaws01 Posted July 3, 2016 Report Share Posted July 3, 2016 11 hours ago, Atomicaphex said: Thanks! Specifically she's supposed to be released in August. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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