Khyodee Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Today I talk to the UK's #1 Greg Piskosz about Lilith. Let us know what you think?http://schemesandstones.podbean.com/e/episode-18-master-spotlight-lilith/ 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whut Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Can't wait to get home and listen, I love your Master discussions, they're fantastic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowfane Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Lilth is one of my favourite masters, so I listened to this with great interest - loved it!Also genuinely heard quite a few ideas and strats with her I'd never considered - clearly I suck as a Lilith player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Posted September 12, 2015 Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 Greg is simply very good with her. I agree with him on almost all points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvdbarnes Posted September 12, 2015 Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 Awesome, can't wait to have a listenkeep them coming! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertSirc Posted September 12, 2015 Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 Today I talk to the UK's #1 Greg Piskosz about Lilith. Let us know what you think?http://schemesandstones.podbean.com/e/episode-18-master-spotlight-lilith/ Khyodee, you really should do Lynch, not just for 10T but for NB as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khyodee Posted September 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 I shall get to all the masters eventually, but I'm falling behind on a couple of factions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayne Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 Greg is simply very good with her. I agree with him on almost all points.Am I the only one curious about where your opinions differ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 Greg is simply very good with her. I agree with him on almost all points.Am I the only one curious about where your opinions differ?mainly over living blade. Both Greg and I believe in using Lilith aggressively at the right times. He favours aether connection as his insurance. I prefer living blade. Positive attack and damage, rather than just damage, mean I can be more card efficient, and the 3" range often means I can make my opponents less AP efficient. I see that as well worth the 2ss upgrade cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayne Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 Hmm, I can definitely see that. A 3" reach is one of the things I truly love about Pandora: the ability to engage and often not be struck back twice/shot (by the engaged model) is awesome and that's not factored in the plus flips to attack.I notice you've not mentioned the pounce effect effect, I guess that's more of a "nice plus if it happens" than something that regularly appears in the game plan. The couple of times I've tried Living Blade out, that's not come up at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 Yep, that's just something that may come up. It can and does happen, but it's not something I actively look for. If the situation arises, it's a nice bonus. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asrian Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 Greg is simply very good with her. I agree with him on almost all points.Am I the only one curious about where your opinions differ?mainly over living blade. Both Greg and I believe in using Lilith aggressively at the right times. He favours aether connection as his insurance. I prefer living blade. Positive attack and damage, rather than just damage, mean I can be more card efficient, and the 3" range often means I can make my opponents less AP efficient. I see that as well worth the 2ss upgrade cost.Thats my preference as well (living blade) for the same reason, and the added pounce effect off her lure upgrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungering Derpness Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 After a pretty disastrous game against a very good Gremlin player, I decided to listen to this podcast all the way through. I feel significantly more positive now about future games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuffedKiwi Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 Great discussion, I really learnt a few things (no surprise there!), much to think about. Good work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirkattack Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Such a great podcast. I listened to it twice actually. I even appreciate the edited pauses to provide clarification when the discussion moves a little bit too fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orkdork Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Definitely a great cast!I am curious what Greg would take out if he still ran two waldgeists. I wouldn't know how to play without them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Definitely a great cast!I am curious what Greg would take out if he still ran two waldgeists. I wouldn't know how to play without them!the obvious would be Nekima, but the list changes a lot when you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orkdork Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Interesting. I can't imagine dropping nekima, now that my eyes have been opened to how much more reliable tangled shadows is as a beat stick delivery system than its typical use as delivering something to Lilith.Basically having a 5" bubble of 3AP MI7 4/5/6 death around every friendly model is... good? After this podcast and my games since, I can't really imagine going back to Zoraida except for nostalgia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philosfr Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Lilith has been my favorite master since right around when M2E came out. I definitely thought the podcast was well done. It was interesting listening to someone talk about Lilith's strengths and common misconceptions, as I made all those same mistakes with her at first as well. The only place I really differ is around Living Blade, like others have said. I really really like Living Blade and have had too many push/pounce kills with it to neglect it. That said, the podcast did make me think about it differently and maybe next time I play her I'll leave it at home... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunagami Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 I found the most interesting comment was to play her like she doesn't have the sword at all. I found my best games with her were when I didn't have to attack with her once and let the crew do its things with what she sets up. That said, wrecking face with her can be satisfying too ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philosfr Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 I found the most interesting comment was to play her like she doesn't have the sword at all. I found my best games with her were when I didn't have to attack with her once and let the crew do its things with what she sets up. That said, wrecking face with her can be satisfying too ;-)There's a time and a place to swing the sword, but yeah, I've found that I got much better results when playing Lilith when I didn't focus on getting into melee. That said, I always try to find the time and place to swing the sword... it's just too much fun when everything else is in place to just watch Lilith start mopping up and making things go splat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunagami Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 I know that rapid growth is a trap..... but for 1 SS..... as long as it isn't my main goal, it is more of a fun bonus than anything. Wasting a stone? Maybe. Fun? INDEED :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrengisKhan Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 (edited) Greg is simply very good with her. I agree with him on almost all points.Am I the only one curious about where your opinions differ?mainly over living blade. Both Greg and I believe in using Lilith aggressively at the right times. He favours aether connection as his insurance. I prefer living blade. Positive attack and damage, rather than just damage, mean I can be more card efficient, and the 3" range often means I can make my opponents less AP efficient. I see that as well worth the 2ss upgrade cost.It's pretty rare I take Aether Connection, only if I have an extra SS to spend. I never really rely on having any kind of insurance, I prefer to use positioning to limit any kind of retaliation my opponent can muster. My issue with Living Blade is that I've never lost a game where I thought Living Blade could have made a difference. If Lilith is hitting something then it generally dies so the 3" melee range never comes up. I'm not going to spend 2ss on something that I don't need to help win games. Greg Edited September 16, 2015 by Sir#67 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrengisKhan Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 Definitely a great cast!I am curious what Greg would take out if he still ran two waldgeists. I wouldn't know how to play without them!Thanks, I'm glad you liked the episode.After thinking about it for a bit I would probably drop Johan (with Retributions Eye) and the Mysterious Effigy. If I think I'm going to need it I'll put Retributions Eye on Mr Graves and play with 1 less stone in my cache. You're basically trading a lot of utility for some more durable models and the ability to deny a large part of the board. I would advise you to play without them for a little bit and experiment, especially if you find yourself in a bit of a rutGreg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertSirc Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 When you talked about the "Tempo" I cannot think of nothing more that just slows down an opponent as much as two Waldgeist giving your opponent the finger from your side of the board. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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