AllistorPreist Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 So, I will probably need the Arcanist deck, or at least one of them cause I like the old Colette better than the art for M2 Colette. I seem to be buying new models, I don't know how far I will be expanding but it looks like mostly using Hoffman and Criid. So aside from the model cards for the counts as, how much do I need the deck for upgrades? This may eventually come up for the Outcasts or rezzers on account of Tara eventually reaching general release. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewomie Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Well, as we wait for things to release, I have found the arsenal decks to be wonderful! I have just about everything from the 1.5 days in my collection and have been dragging my feet when it comes to upgrading to plastics (life stuff.... you know the story. haha). They aren't that expensive, and they allow you to use everything, even proxies for stuff that isn't out yet. I would recommend getting both decks for any factions you may want to play. While you are looking at only Hoffman or Criid at the moment, you may want to toss in a death marshal or Fancisco one day, and it is invaluable to have that card in your reach so you don't need to flip around in the book constantly. Plus, they are pretty cheep considering everything you're getting. 20 bucks to have the lifeblood of the entire faction means you could use anything and try everything before making a purchase of the models. it's a sweet deal in my eyes. course... I bought all of them. EDIT: it does seem that the upgrade cards that are specific to a master come with them in the crew box, but I'm not sure you can get the generic upgrades outside of the arsenal decks. (frankly though, I don't use the generic upgrades for much at all. in typical games I just use named stuff) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requirement Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 You will probably end up needing them. They end up being pretty practical, at worst a backup card isn't the worst thing to happen. Like Jeremy correctly said, there is not current way to get the faction generic upgrades as physical cards (as he also said, your mileage may very on those upgrades. I also don't fine myself using them very frequently.) They are of course also available in the large rule books. I, personally, have kind of a tumultuous relationship with these cards. I have ended up buying many of them for one or two cards that I need. Overall, no, they aren't a bad investment, I don't really regret buying any of them, and they will come in handy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math Mathonwy Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 For new players who don't have old metal models, they are a really annoying, super-redundant extra cost if one wants the generic upgrades. For old farts like me who have huge metal collections they are very convenient.If you don't care for the fluff, I suppose you could use them to sort of replace the thick rulebooks and make do with just the cards and Arsenal packs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 For new players who don't have old metal models, they are a really annoying, super-redundant extra cost if one wants the generic upgrades. For old farts like me who have huge metal collections they are very convenient. Really well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirial Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 It also depends on faction. The generic upgrades are the only thing that is only included in Arsenal decks. In broad strokes, Neverborn and Guild use their generics less, while all the other factions have upgrades they really, really want. (Add 2 "really"s for the Arcanists). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonahmaul Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 For new players who don't have old metal models, they are a really annoying, super-redundant extra cost if one wants the generic upgrades. For old farts like me who have huge metal collections they are very convenient. Although I have a few of the older metals I am pretty new to M2E. The Arsenal boxes are a little frustrating, especially as you end up with so many duplicates but I find them very convenient and a good investment. I chuck them in a plastic box which I think is for CCG's and they're easy access so it's a lot easier to look at your different options and have cards side by side to explore synergies. It's also a lot easier to have them on the table when you play rather than rely on books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDisaster Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 This may eventually come up for the Outcasts or rezzers on account of Tara eventually reaching general release. Hahahaha yeah right! Ahem... sorry about that. There are many of us who believe Tara's normal box is a like Leprechauns or Unicorns. Pure Myth! The arsenal decks are only required if you want to be using generic faction upgrades. There are some epic ones out there so it's advisable but not required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 What is this normal Tara you speak of? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonahmaul Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 It'll be out before Brewaster... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paradoxstorm Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 I like metal models so I bought all of the arsenal decks 'cause I like metal models and I like having anything I might possibly need comfortably in hand. If you are buying plastics and getting all but a handful of cards you probably don't need the arsenal decks, and as I understand it there is no "tournament legal" printing of the cards so you can pretty easily make your own if you have access to the big rule book and Crossroads. If you have access to a scanner and printer, simply scan and print the relevant page, cut out the copy of the card and glue it to an unused magic or pokemon card. Less pretty, use a word processor, type the text into appropriately sized text boxes, print, cut, paste. Even less pretty, take a 3x5 index card, cut to an appropriate size, hand write the appropriate text on the card. Or, if you don't like the "do it yourself" approach and have $$ to waste, buy the arsenal decks, take out the cards you need, leave the rest in the game store where some unsuspecting non-malifaux player will pick them up, read them, become curious, and start playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllistorPreist Posted February 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 So it sounds like, I could prob skip them for the guild, but I should definately get them for Arcanists (metal DuBois) and maybe for whatever faction I decide to play Tara as. Sounds good to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omenbringer Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 Well you could always copy them from the book then print them on some thick card stock and laminate. Of course you could also try your luck in the Trading Card thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirial Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 Well you could always copy them from the book then print them on some thick card stock and laminate. Of course you could also try your luck in the Trading Card thread. Yeah, this. (Although I would propose to Wyrd to include all the Generic upgrades into the Effigy boxes, to make them more worthwhile. That would be amazing.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omenbringer Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 Another option would be just to forgo the cards in the boxes (or with the models) all together and just sell Arsenal boxes. This would remove the somewhat superfluous design of the Arsenal boxes for new players (since now the only method of getting the cards would be thru the arsenal decks or generating them yourself via scan, edit and print). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solkan Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 "Buy the box with the model, that's all you need" is way too big a selling point to stop putting the cards in the boxes. I think you'd be more likely to see a few upgrade cards added to each box, even if just blank cards that someone could write the upgrade information onto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllistorPreist Posted February 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 Blarg, I just found out I need the arsenal boxes for some of the Tara crew upgrades. Does anyone know if there is a list anywhere of which cards are in what boxes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonahmaul Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 Each Arsenal deck entry on the Wyrd webstore has a full list of everything that should be included. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LunarSol Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 I started in M2E and I'm very happy to have the Arsenal decks for the factions I play, though I've been very annoyed with having to buy them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllistorPreist Posted February 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 Thanks, I think I have tracked down what I need to buy first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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