poulpox Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 Hi there! I more question I can't seem to find answer for: Can a daydream bury itself when casting Calm Dreams? Thanks! T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alondir Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 im not sure iv been using it atm as it cant, but would be amazing if it could Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karn987 Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 It most certainly could. Calm Dream says bury any number of friendly Nightmares withing 6" of the cast and well, you are within 6" of yourself and can always target yourself so yup. Daydreams can Bury themselves with Calm Dream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poulpox Posted January 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 I also noticed the range was C so it does feel this is allowed. Thanks superLCBKarn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captaincarrot Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 We played a game recently where my opponent, whilst playing Perdita, cast obey on the Daydream and got it to cast calm dreams burying itself and all my nightmares (we were closing in for the kill.) As crippling as it was I didn't see anything wrong with it, in fact I thought the ingenuity of it was cool! Cost me the game tho :-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mythicFOX Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 On that note Zorida is one of the masters I'm dreading coming up against with The Dreamer. Obeying Daydreams will cause a lot of headaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avarice711 Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 doesn't daydreams say friendly nightmares? i thought during obey they are considered enemy hence not being able to bury nightmares? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poulpox Posted January 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 doesn't daydreams say friendly nightmares? i thought during obey they are considered enemy hence not being able to bury nightmares? That seems an acurate comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratty Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 It's seems a reasonable comment, but I not sure how it's dealt with. The rules seem to suggest that the side which the model is on does not change. It is still an enemy model. therefore model's friendly to it would still possibly be the enemies models.. but...??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poulpox Posted January 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Actually I think that when obeyed the model is considered friendly (and can be target be the opponent's models for disengaging strikes for example), but I might be wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natty Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 If you obey an enemy model, there is no model on the table that is considered friendly to it. This has been ruled on in several threads in the resolved rule section. You have to think of it as a little army as its own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddhanutz Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 If you obey an enemy model, there is no model on the table that is considered friendly to it. This has been ruled on in several threads in the resolved rule section. You have to think of it as a little army as its own. So can you still cheat while using the influenced model? ---End Thread Highjack---- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natty Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 So can you still cheat while using the influenced model? ---End Thread Highjack---- Yes, because you control it. You just can't use abilities that have a friendly target. Also, your opponent could disengaging strike his own models to stop your action. Or you could move a model out of LCB/Lady J melee and then disengaging strike to wound him. The worst is making ranged attacks when you are in melee range of what would have been "friendly" stuff. You need to be really careful and think it out before you obey. ---------------- It may sound odd that you aren't considered friendly to anything but if you were then there would be about a billion abuses to obey, which is already powerful enough! (Stuff like obeying your opponents pigapult and sacrificing their pig to attack their own guy. Or obeying your opponent who has a governer's proxy to charge something with terrifying and purposefully failing the terrifying check to kill him). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natty Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Read this thread: https://wyrd-games.net/forum/showthread.php?t=10660&highlight=obey+friendly <edit> Make sure you read past the first few posts because the replies by the first people are wrong. Weird sketch clears it up later.<end edit> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wodschow Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 But the Daydream would still be friendly to itself I think, ie. it could bury itself, no? (Also unrelated, Obeying the Pigapult to fire wouldn't require any sacrificed I believe.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tadaka Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Daydream would be be its own friend far as I know it. Far as the pigapult goes you would have to pay any costs as normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wodschow Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Far as the pigapult goes you would have to pay any costs as normal. And there's no cost associated with firing it when it's outside its activation. You pay at the start of your activation to use it during the activation, but Obey isn't an activation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q'iq'el Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 And there's no cost associated with firing it when it's outside its activation. You pay at the start of your activation to use it during the activation, but Obey isn't an activation. I suppose it is a matter of approach, but don't you think no-pay=no-play? Hence you cannot pay out of activation, you cannot shoot it at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sholto Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 I think this has been addressed before, where if a rule refers to "during a model's activation" then if the model is acting outwith its own activation then the rule does not apply. Hence being able to Obey a Totem to use Magical Extension even if the Totem has already activated and used it that Turn. Same with the Pigapult - Obeying it to fire avoids having to sacrifice a pig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wodschow Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Not that it's highly relevant though as there's no way to include a model with Obey and the Pigapult in the same list and the Pigapult is Wp 10 so an opponents Obeys should seldomly affect it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natty Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Whoops, my bad. I have honestly have never even seen the pigapult played and didn't have the book in front of me. I thought I remembered it needing to sac a model before it could shoot; not before it could activate. That'll teach me to talk about models I know nothing about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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