Vendetta and Scoring 3VPs.

[jonahmaul]

OK, so this just came up in another thread and I (we) have a question about Vendetta.  I've always thought that the only way to get the full 3VPs from Vendetta is if your noted models first attack was against the noted enemy model and your noted model killed the noted enemy model.

 

However, having checked the wording for Vendetta it states 'If the noted enemy model is killed by the noted friendly model, score 3 VP (whether or not the scheme was revealed' (Big Rulebook, page 70, my emphasis).  Now, as the scheme specifically states it may not be revealed at the start of the game and the only way to reveal the scheme is if you noted models first attack is against the noted enemy model does this mean that it's possible to score the full 3VPs for Vendetta if your noted model only lands the killing blow to the noted enemy model?

 

I had always thought that this was not the case before but having read Vendetta again it seems like you could and whilst risky makes scoring 3VPs from Vendetta a lot easier.

[Adran]

You can get the 3 vp for getting the kill shot regardless of anything else you do.

It isn't a case of scoring +1 vp if the noted enemy model was killed by the noted friemdly model, it is Score 3 vp.

 

So the scoring is exactly

1 VP if first attack is against target

2 vp if first attack against target, and target is not on the table at the end of the game

3 VP if model killed target (regardless of if its first attack was against the target or not)

[zFiend]

I'd argue you need to fill all three requirements.

It's not that risky on HtK models if it's 3vp for the killing blow.

[jonahmaul]

Hadn't thought about HtK!  That does indeed make it very easy.  I think the intention is that you probably need to fulfil all three requirements but the rulebook doesn't support that.

[Bengt]

I'd argue you need to fill all three requirements.

How do you figure that? Since the only way for it not to be revealed is if you didn't fulfil the first requirement.

[Kogan Style]

Its an interesting structure, my thoughts:

 

1) The noted model's first attack is against the Vendetta target , score 1 VP. If the target dies, score another VP. If noted model kills, get the final VP.

2) Noted model kills the target, 3 VP awarded.

 

The only way to get 2 VP is to reveal it is if the noted model's first attack is against the target, otherwise if the noted model doesn't kill the target you don't get any VP.

 

I think option 2 is valid when you are unable to make the noted models first attack against the target - still giving you a chance to get the scheme points.

[PraetorDragoon]

I agree with the intention to having all three requirements checked off. Though the wording on the scheme doesn't really support that. 

[jonahmaul]

I think option 2 is valid when you are unable to make the noted models first attack against the target - still giving you a chance to get the scheme points.

It is weird that you can potentially never score from it if the first attack is not against the chosen model but seems like the chance to get three VPs is very easy.

[lusciousmccabe]

I've always played it exactly as written. I figured the idea was that you can pick up a point very easily by making the first attack against the target but then your opponent can hide them away to deny you the rest of the points. Alternatively you keep the scheme hidden and try to go all or nothing later.

[wizuriel]

Yeah I also play it as written and agree with LUSCIOUSMCCABE

[Myyrä]

The wording is crystal clear and arguing about intent is useless.

[StuffedKiwi]

We in my local group have always played the version LusciousMcCabe presents, which is indeed (on my reading) exactly what is written. It does seem an easy one to misunderstand, though.