Jackfraser Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 When I look at I pay better it seems to me that this will work brilliantly with Von schill and his freikorps because of them all being mercenaries. To me having the potential to discard cards to focus without spending ap seems like it could be incredibly powerful but no tactica I have seen mentions it at all. Am I missing something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirial Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 Not really. It may be a good payoff when you draw a bad hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PraetorDragoon Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 You are not. I pay better is relatively new, and has been added after the whole PMF spree, so most people haven't mentioned it. It's a very good upgrade in any case. You might find it interesting to combine it with the Spoils of War upgrade (the freikorps card draw. Is it called like that?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonahmaul Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 It is a very nice bonus but you only have a limited number of cards so discarding them to get focus will deplete your hand quickly. Agree with Praetordragoon that abilities that allow you to draw cards (or Hannah who allows you to start with extra) work very will in combination with IPB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 I think it's a good upgrade there are always (for me at least) low cards around. And sometimes to you really want that on damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackfraser Posted March 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 Yes Praetordragon there's spoils of war for freikorps specific and tally sheet for card draw in general 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sancho of Rime Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 I've used the I'm upgrade a few times. It's pretty great with letting you focus without AP. However, many of the freikorp have things to do with card discard.. Stuff like reference the field guide. So while I appreciated the cards I did feel the lack of cards swiftly. I actually feel like the upgrade might be best once there's a draw trick in play. Maybe sue or a tealor with tally sheet. In conclusion I'd say it's worth it.. But you just really must be careful. Edit; and as mentioned Hannah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapnBloodbeard Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 I think it's an awesome upgrade. It does deplete your hand a lot, but it's pretty powerful. I like it with the Friekorps trapper - use it to give him a focussed shot, increasing his range. So first shot has the potentially to insta-kill a minion, or just damage something on the other side of the board, and the second shot will hit something close by. Makes him really useful. I've used it with other guys in melee occasionally too. I love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drool_bucket Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 One of the nice aspects of Von Schill is that he does not require strong control hands. Since he can also has access to lots of healing he does not require Damage Prevention either, Giving him access to great uses for his lower cards in hand (+1 with Hannah) again builds into his crew's effectiveness. You already discard a card for Reference the Field Guide and the Steam Trunks Emergency Surette. I Pay Better is yet another great opportunity to make use of those low cards in hand. End result is that you don't have to use SS for cards or Prevention, making him a Master I happily run with just a stone or two in cache. If you don't feel you are getting the most out of the upgrade, try Lazarus in your Lists. Giving him an opportunity to Walk and the shoot with a Focus applied is devastating! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpectreEliteGaming Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Also, my favorite use of this upgrade is a Freikorps heavy Tara list with Hannah - combos well with Void Wretches and I'm not big on the whole tara-sling tactic so this is a great alternative. I don't like freikorpsmann as scheme runners so using the wretches is like best of both worlds. This upgrade is broken as hell in henchman led games. >8) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 What does a Freikorps heavy Tara list include? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirial Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 What does a Freikorps heavy Tara list include? Freeikorps and Tara, I presume. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Freeikorps and Tara, I presume. Super helpful Guildie. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirial Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Super helpful Guildie. Well, your fault for not wording the question a little better... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 No but I did. What does a Freikorps heavy Tara list include? It's not a Freikorps Tara list. Now is it? Too eager to avenge the Zedspunge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirial Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Oh, come on. A Freikorps heavy Tara list still includes Tara and Freikorps. Maybe not exclusively. Try "What would you include in your definition of a Freikorps heavy Tara list?" instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Oh shut it bureaucrat. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonahmaul Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Freikorps heavy list includes Strongarm Suit and Lazarus for added weight ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adran Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Loathe as I am to try and return to topic but... 2 trappers, to make good use of the focus. Friekorpmann to reference the field guide Hannah, because someone has to carry it 2 void wretches becuase you want some bonus from the empty hand Hans might well fit in. Alternatively, you don't actually need to use Tara, just adding Void wretches and/or Nothing beast to the list. Possibly using the Viks to try and get the hand size bonus properly controlled. Student of conflict, I pay better and a focus using sniper allows 2 long ranges shots a turn, which is pretty good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonahmaul Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Loathe as I am to try and return to topic but... Why would you do that! Good advice though, the dumping of cards works very well with Tara and Void stuff so it's a very nice combo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapnBloodbeard Posted April 5, 2015 Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 Interesting combo. Let's not forget that 'I pay better' can apply to von Schill himself as well. I take it every game - what else am I going to do with my low cards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadeton Posted April 5, 2015 Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 Interesting combo. Let's not forget that 'I pay better' can apply to von Schill himself as well. I take it every game - what else am I going to do with my low cards? Von Schill is not a Mercenary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapnBloodbeard Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 Shoot, of course. when I posted it I was trying to work out why I had never used it on vS before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpectreEliteGaming Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 Freikorps heavy list would be Tara (as a glorified scheme runner) with hannah and a bunch of trappers/librarians plus void wretches. You can sub in whatever you need (strongarm or laz) but this works good to start. Activate the wretches late after you dump your hand and your friekorp will just steamroll right through the center disrupting fucking everything (you probably wont even need void wretches). Provided she goes first (which she should) bury with Tara followed by bury with Hannah to limit your opponent's counter offensive for the turn - both pop out end of turn so you can bury the most relevant ones the following turn. Hannah Survivor Pay Better Librarain x3 (w/ Oathkeeper x3) Librarian/Trapper Is one of my favorite Henchman led 35ss lists... gl with that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zFiend Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 That actually sounds pretty brutal. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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