I was recently gravely mistaken about the timing of "after suffering damage", which apparently occurs at the same time as "after damaging / succeeding / resolving". Thanks to Adran, The Godlyness, and Justin for putting me back on the right track, no matter how stubborn I tend to be.
But I still have a few questions -- new ones though!
I'm wondering if I'm also mistaken about other after triggers, like "after killing".
Rules Question:
Does "After killing" take place at the same time as the other game-defined "after" triggers, after Step 5? If I were a new player (not saying I'm not; only played for a year), how would I know this?
Secondly, there are situations where the timing of "After suffering damage" will lead to defensive triggers reducing damage dealt to models already killed by that damage beforehand (Abuela's Matriarch & Colette's Now You See Me & Molly's Masterful Dead).
Rules Question:
Can killed models become unkilled by a defensive trigger that goes off before they are removed (since "after suffering damage" will have the same timing as "After damaging", it will happen right before the model is removed), even if they are already considered killed? I assume the answer is no, but the wording of the triggers makes me think they should be usable against all damage - not that this is a correct assumption. I'm honestly unsure how to play these triggers in case of fatal damage now -- I can't predict the intent.
Example:
Molly gets hit with an attack and she declares Masterful Dead. The attacks deals her fatal damage in Step 5. Before removing the model, "after damaging" and "after suffering damage" triggers are resolved in priority order, with Molly's Trigger occurring first, allowing her to discard 2 cards and reduce the damage to 1, which is non-fatal. But the only reason this trigger is occurring now is due to her being killed by the damage the trigger is reducing. So what happens?
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I was recently gravely mistaken about the timing of "after suffering damage", which apparently occurs at the same time as "after damaging / succeeding / resolving". Thanks to Adran, The Godlyness, and Justin for putting me back on the right track, no matter how stubborn I tend to be.
But I still have a few questions -- new ones though!
I'm wondering if I'm also mistaken about other after triggers, like "after killing".
Rules Question:
Does "After killing" take place at the same time as the other game-defined "after" triggers, after Step 5? If I were a new player (not saying I'm not; only played for a year), how would I know this?
Secondly, there are situations where the timing of "After suffering damage" will lead to defensive triggers reducing damage dealt to models already killed by that damage beforehand (Abuela's Matriarch & Colette's Now You See Me & Molly's Masterful Dead).
Rules Question:
Can killed models become unkilled by a defensive trigger that goes off before they are removed (since "after suffering damage" will have the same timing as "After damaging", it will happen right before the model is removed), even if they are already considered killed? I assume the answer is no, but the wording of the triggers makes me think they should be usable against all damage - not that this is a correct assumption. I'm honestly unsure how to play these triggers in case of fatal damage now -- I can't predict the intent.
Example:
Molly gets hit with an attack and she declares Masterful Dead. The attacks deals her fatal damage in Step 5. Before removing the model, "after damaging" and "after suffering damage" triggers are resolved in priority order, with Molly's Trigger occurring first, allowing her to discard 2 cards and reduce the damage to 1, which is non-fatal. But the only reason this trigger is occurring now is due to her being killed by the damage the trigger is reducing. So what happens?
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