Competitive Sonnia, what pieces i need?

[4thstringer]

I have lots of gimmick lists that have it.   :-)  whenever I put a model in a bad spot late in the turn,  I like to have it to bail myself it early in the next. 

[LunarSol]

24 minutes ago, Ludvig said:

Wasn't there two in one of the variants?

There were two the year before when it first became a thing, yes.

[Ludvig]

35 minutes ago, 4thstringer said:

I have lots of gimmick lists that have it.   :-)  whenever I put a model in a bad spot late in the turn,  I like to have it to bail myself it early in the next. 

One doesn't do it for me. I played four or five games with one in my list and lost every flip where I discarded it despite reflipping most of those. Now that the (0) looks slightly more likely to come in handy I could see myself giving it a new shot.

[4thstringer]

5 minutes ago, Ludvig said:

One doesn't do it for me. I played four or five games with one in my list and lost every flip where I discarded it despite reflipping most of those. Now that the (0) looks slightly more likely to come in handy I could see myself giving it a new shot.

When I really think I will need it, I bring 2.  It's like sonnia's cast.  7 is nice, but 9 is where it truly gets scary.

[TeddyBear]

3 hours ago, admiralvorkraft said:

You may joke, but Expert Sleuth usually goes in her third upgrade slot (after Counterspell Aura and Cherufe's Imprint). Granted, she's using it for the initiative bonus, but in 2017 I suspect I may have reason to remember that (0) exists...

Granted it conflicts with her other two (brilliant) (0)'s so we'll see.

No kidding, perhaps the emoticon made you misinterpret.. sorry

I open this topic for looking for advices.. i don't know Sonnia..

[ArcticPangolin]

Can any of us truly know the woman behind the mask?

[Tris]

This was the first thread I found where i feel like I could ask my question, without opening a new one:

 

The Witchling Thralls "False Confidence" (the condtition they give out with their Ca attck) says, that if a model printed wp is lower than 6, the models printed wp is treated as 6 until end of turn - does that actually make them wp 6 for wp resisted attacks?

Or is it just fancy wording to make Sonnias plus flips happen?

 

 

[trikk]

They just have 6. But since its printed it can be looped

[Tris]

Thank you very much, thought that.

So you have to look out to not buff your opponent unwillingly^^

[Ludvig]

9 hours ago, Tris said:

Thank you very much, thought that.

So you have to look out to not buff your opponent unwillingly^^

You would only ever add the trigger if you wanted them to be higher wp so for Sonnia or the Thrall most likely. Triggers are most often voluntary.

[Tris]

29 minutes ago, Ludvig said:

You would only ever add the trigger if you wanted them to be higher wp so for Sonnia or the Thrall most likely. Triggers are most often voluntary.

Sure, would be hesitant to declare that trigger in my Nellie crew

Just wanted to be sure on the wording.

[TeddyBear]

In tournaments, is it possible with Sonnia use a fixed list?

If yes, do you share your lists? Or your "core" of lists?

[Tris]

19 minutes ago, TeddyBear said:

In tournaments, is it possible with Sonnia use a fixed list?

If yes, do you share your lists? Or your "core" of lists?

You mean, only one list with Sonnia for every game?

Or just one fixed list for Sonnia, but you play her only in 'ideal' scheme pools?

 

Also, yes, it's always possible, maybe not everytime the best choice though^^

[TeddyBear]

14 minutes ago, Tris said:

You mean, only one list with Sonnia for every game?

Or just one fixed list for Sonnia, but you play her only in 'ideal' scheme pools?

 

Also, yes, it's always possible, maybe not everytime the best choice though^^

The second, i think the first is impossile..

I ask this, because from previous posts i understand that actually Sonnia don't use many pieces:

 

Malifaux child

Francisco

Stalkers

Emissary

Brutal

Abuela

Handlers

 

And rarely

Pathfinder

Freikorps specialist

Samael (someone say no)

 

Now is it possible, with only this pool to be competitive in every strat or schemes?

Thanks

[Ludvig]

In gaining grounds 2016 it seemed possible. She won a couple of major tournaments with a fixed list in the hands of a very good player. Can't remember it in detail but it had Papa Loco and Francisco Ortega. 

The big difference is that the always available scheme in gg-16 required a lot less intrract actions since the markers stayed on the board between rounds. Marker schemes and strats are a guild weakness and Sonnia doesn't help to offset it unlike some other masters we have.

[TeddyBear]

24 minutes ago, Ludvig said:

In gaining grounds 2016 it seemed possible. She won a couple of major tournaments with a fixed list in the hands of a very good player. Can't remember it in detail but it had Papa Loco and Francisco Ortega. 

The big difference is that the always available scheme in gg-16 required a lot less intrract actions since the markers stayed on the board between rounds. Marker schemes and strats are a guild weakness and Sonnia doesn't help to offset it unlike some other masters we have.

How do you see her in gg2017?

[trikk]

My ideal list for Sonnia is:

Numb Papa

Phiona with Debt/Transparency and Wrath

Francisco with Wade In.and Hermanos

Child

Effigy

Sonnia with Aura and Imprint

Watcher

Reporter

Reporter

 

9 activations. 2 Henchmen and an Enforcer so you have chances to do SoF/HP. 4-5 walls if you include Phiona.

 

If you don't need a second Henchman I think a Pathfinder can work to help with LYM/CJ. Alternative for him is a Sergeant or Austringer. I also plan to test 3-4 Guild Hounds

[Ludvig]

@TeddyBear The always scheme takes a little more investment and frame for murder is more common but tabling your opponent never goes out of style and she still does that. Trikk's list looks interesting. The guild sergeant can actually do the always scheme pretty well or you can take a few hounds and use them as blast-points if you don't need them to scheme anymore.

[trikk]

Use Hounds for blast points? My Sonnia is ruthless and merciless but she has a soft spot for puppies.

 

[Ludvig]

4 minutes ago, trikk said:

Use Hounds for blast points? My Sonnia is ruthless and merciless but she has a soft spot for puppies.

 

You only need two to scheme and I usually bring three so if my opponent leaves them alone I have been tempted to arch fireballs around houses by lighting the third one on fire and/or blasting from it. They can move really far and they survive a moderate hit to let you get some damage and burning on your intended target.

The little vests they have are actually fireproof so they don't get hurt, they just go hang out at the great flaming farm in the sky.

[trikk]

I actually never used anythibg as a blast point. Ince I had Line Swordsman engaged with Shen and Francisco and I randomized into combat onto him.

 

Besides. I won't do 5 damage to enemies. Doesn't make sense

 

On a more serious note my meta has a lot of cheap activations lately so while normally I went 8 and it was enough now its around 10.

[Adran]

2 hours ago, TeddyBear said:

In tournaments, is it possible with Sonnia use a fixed list?

If yes, do you share your lists? Or your "core" of lists?

Yes.

Sure, you might not win all your games, but changing your list doesn't make that certain either. 

I've seen good players win tournaments under 2015 with Fixed Sonnia lists. I've read about good players winning 2016 tournaments with Fixed (or largely fiixed) Sonnia lists. 

Both sets of the lists were very different to each other, but even with the errata to Papa (which didn't effect the 2015 lists because he didn't use Papa), they both will still be able to do the same stuff they could do before. 

 

The secret to making a fixed list work is know it inside out, so you know how to use it in all situations, and know exactly what everything can do, so you have plans for all situations. The exact make up of the fixed list is not so important as the player playing it. 

 

[Ludvig]

Trying to copy someone else's list without being familiar enough or having a proper plan will backfire and lead to lost games. When pondering a list it's helpful to create a few pools and see if you would actually have a poan for scoring VP in them.

[Tris]

@trikk

What do you expect from wrath of the guild on Phiona?

What's your reason for changing between transparency/debt and always taking wrath?

With her flat damage track, it just doesn't seem worth it to me.

[trikk]

If I don't need scheme markers I don't need Transparency. Its suppose to be great in DtG but I never managed to get 2 points from it. Wrath allows me to do that reliable damage to models with Armor and two-shot 8 Wd models in crucial situations