rgtriplec Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 What does it do exactly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 magicpockets Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 block line of sight and provide cover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 AdrianMills Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 and as it isn't terrain neither Lilith or nino can see through it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 karn987 Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 Yup both MP and Adrian are spot on. But just to give you a bit more information on it... The Stitched Togethers Creepy Fog is a 4" Aura with Ht 5 that extends out from the edge of it's base. The Aura has no "donut hole" in the center, it is solid all the way through. This Aura is also Obscuring, so all the rules for Obscuring on Rules Manual Page 15 for the Obscuring Trait, apply to this Aura (soft cover, can only see 3" into it, can't see across it, etc). But unlike most things that are obscuring, it is not a piece of terrain. So abilities like Master of Malifaux and Hunter (on Nino etc) would normally bypass all of this or a large chunk of it (in the case of hunter) do nothing because it is not terrain. So if you read Master of Malifaux (on Lilith) and Hunter (in the Rules Manual back) you will see they both reference terrain. So since this is not terrain, they have no effect on it and can't help see through it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 magicpockets Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 The Aura has no "donut hole" in the center, it is solid all the way through. Unless an exception has been made (?) the aura does not cover the Stitched Together model as aura's don't affect the originating model. So there is a hole in the middle, but LOS would be blocked by the stitched together. This would surely also mean the ST doesn't get cover himself if you're within 3" of him as he isn't in the obscuring terrain feature? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 AdrianMills Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 Thats how i have played it in the past. An inch into the fog and you can target the stitiched but nothing at the other side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 >,< Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 but its 4 inches from the base, so theres 4 inch of obsuring terrain in the was so u shouldn't be able to target the stitched right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 karn987 Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 but its 4 inches from the base, so theres 4 inch of obsuring terrain in the was so u shouldn't be able to target the stitched right? Well it's not terrain, don't make that mistake. Because the ability does not state it is terrain, it is not terrain. As per the rules on obscuring, you can not target a model in an obscuring effect if you draw LOS through more then 3" of the effect. So you would have to be 1" in to see the Stitched together because that then means you are only drawing LoS through 3" of the Obscuring effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 karn987 Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 (edited) Unless an exception has been made (?) the aura does not cover the Stitched Together model as aura's don't affect the originating model. So there is a hole in the middle, but LOS would be blocked by the stitched together. This would surely also mean the ST doesn't get cover himself if you're within 3" of him as he isn't in the obscuring terrain feature? Duhhh I'm bright this morning *bangs head on desk* Look at the card man, it states "Including this model" which effectively closes the donut hole. Though it is a bit funky wording since it goes on about it counting as Obscuring terrain for all models including this one... which seems unneeded.. but that may just be safety wording. There is an old ruling by Sketch floating around, but so far I've had little luck finding it. I'll post back with that if I can find it just for more words on it. Edited June 22, 2011 by karn987 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Wodschow Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 @karn, just search for 'donut hole', I think that's what you're thinking of.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 13th Warrior Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 and as it isn't terrain neither Lilith or nino can see through it. But presumably the Young and Mature Nephilim will still be able to use their Diving Attack? (2) Diving Attack: This model Charges an enemy model ignoring LoS, terrain and intervening models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 >,< Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 the ignoring Los should have it there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 13th Warrior Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 Indeed, but I thought I'd better check Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 mark.long Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 Can Lady Justice's Blind Justice spell be used to locate a target in the "fog"? Is only being able to see 3" into it a reduction in Rg? Or is Blind Justice only applicable to situations where the actual Rg or Df stat is altered for whatever reason? Had this occur to me the other day and you have stated "abilities like" have no effect (not spells as they are not abilities?). I couldn't logically argue against it as I could see her being able to "sense" a target (as blind people do, Daredevil, etc!) and relaying targetting info to those around her. Hope I got it right cos I lost the game v LJ and who knows what the result may have been had I been able to remain "unseen"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guardian Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 She can charge without LOS, but she cant target. Eg, shoto her guns at someone in the fog. Blind Justice is only against the effects that directly influence the model. Fog is just as regular forest for purposes of LOS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 mark.long Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 (edited) She can charge without LOS, but she cant target. Eg, shoto her guns at someone in the fog. Blind Justice is only against the effects that directly influence the model. Fog is just as regular forest for purposes of LOS. So only direct effects on Rg or Df stats are considered. Offhand I can't think of any but the sheer fact that the fog (or a forest for example) reduces los to 3" within prevents even her from "seeing" with that spell a target beyond that distance. Much like Hunter etc being affected by the errata on this creepy fog. But cos forest is terrain where the fog isn't, Hunter can see into forest and I guess LJ's Blind Justice can't (as Rg or Df is not affected)? Thanks for the feedback. Got shot to oblivion basically (along with some dire control hands!) but may have lasted longer had I not been decimated so early on! The Card Gods were not with me for one minute ha! Thanks again. Edited May 17, 2012 by mark.long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 sunabe Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 so Hans who has Goggles: This model ignores any enemy spell or talent that affects LoS. can shoot through the effect, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Ozz Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 Yes he can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 VBGames Posted June 4, 2012 Report Share Posted June 4, 2012 We've been playing that Hans can draw LOS through it but the target still gets soft cover. Is this correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Sezar Posted June 4, 2012 Report Share Posted June 4, 2012 It's been ruled before that anything that ignores LoS also ignores cover, so Hans should have a clear shot on them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Kadeton Posted June 4, 2012 Report Share Posted June 4, 2012 We've been playing that Hans can draw LOS through it but the target still gets soft cover. Is this correct? No, but it wouldn't matter anyway. Hans ignores cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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