WEiRD sKeTCH Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 I am amused that my presence in a thread will get people reading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nilus Posted March 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 I missed that 1" part myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoboStele Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 hmm....like I said, this was discussed at pretty great length. I'll need to dig out my book to see where it ended up but this was certainly one of the discussion points.... (going to get my book....) (Oh, I see Sketch is here....hopefully he'll just answer. He's far more of an authority than me on issues like this anyway. ) NM: here's the relevent bullet: Weird....I missed that. Will have to look for it again. Does that screw up the whole, standing on a bridge vs target standing under it scenario though? If the target on top of the bridge is within 1" of the edge, then they could see the piece standing directly underneath them? Not as bad as the prior version of the rules, but still a bit odd to follow completely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nerdelemental Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 They'd still need LoS. You'd have to have declared your bridge to be an Obstruction before the game and then there'd be no LoS. If it's some rickety rope bridge you and your opponent would have to have declared what kind of traits it had. Usually my "Just don't be a douche" rule covers it all, but that didn't make it into the book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEiRD sKeTCH Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Usually my "Just don't be a douche" rule covers it all, but that didn't make it into the book. I tried, but my hands were tied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratty Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 I prefere my two rules for wargaming 1) Don't take the Piss 2) Unless it's funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nilus Posted March 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Usually my "Just don't be a douche" rule covers it all, but that didn't make it into the book. That's kinda one of those universal rules of to live by and not exclusive to Malifaux. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Albrecht Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 That's kinda one of those universal rules of to live by and not exclusive to Malifaux. So you'd think... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Er1k Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Soooo, where can I get the book? I'm a European and I haven't seen it in the Malifaux shop initially. I was so desperate to get mine that I ordered from the warstore in the US last week and am now just waiting on it arriving in the UK. Paid more for the delivery though than the actual book, but I'm sure it'll be worth it. Hopefully it will arrive by the weekend so I can spend two days off work just soaking up the rules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darguth Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Any intention of upkeeping the first post with other changes people have pointed out later in the thread? Would likely help consolidate changes for people who can't get the RM yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratty Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 apparently according to sKeTCH you can models can no longer target themselves with attacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nilus Posted March 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Any intention of upkeeping the first post with other changes people have pointed out later in the thread? Would likely help consolidate changes for people who can't get the RM yet. Sure, updating it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darguth Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Wasn't climbing also changed from the old (1) action so that it can be performed as part other movements, just at a 2:1 ratio of movement? I.E. I can use a (1) Walk action as part of that action some of my movement can be spent climbing and the rest of it on normal horizontal movement across flat terrain? Or had that been changed previously? Did this just get overlooked, or am I crazy and this is how it was pre-RM? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoboStele Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 apparently according to sKeTCH you can models can no longer target themselves with attacks. Wasn't that in the Errata already? So that's not new in the Rules Manual, correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratty Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Wasn't that in the Errata already? So that's not new in the Rules Manual, correct? nope until the new book Pandora could cast Dementia on herself or Seamus could cast Undead Psychosis on himself. Only Strikes could not target the acting model. ask Woodchow he's bee campaigning for this for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wodschow Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 nope until the new book Pandora could cast Dementia on herself or Seamus could cast Undead Psychosis on himself. Only Strikes could not target the acting model. ask Woodchow he's bee campaigning for this for a while. I'm happy =3 Hoffman isn't though, no more reactivate for him T_T (although there's a slight possibility that they changed something with casting on friendly models and their resists - could anyone verify that they haven't?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Necromorph Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 That's been in the rules for a while under the old erratas. Managed to get a Red Joker on a :-fate:-fate flip last week.. 8Wds on Bad Juju from a pistol, oh how I laughed. Now, an anomaly has been happening to my friends and I lately, where we get a tripple flip like that, and end up drawing both Jokers...thus having to take the Black. It's happened about a half dozen times in the past week...annoying much haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoboStele Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 nope until the new book Pandora could cast Dementia on herself or Seamus could cast Undead Psychosis on himself. Only Strikes could not target the acting model. ask Woodchow he's bee campaigning for this for a while. Ahh...I got it now. I'm still having to remind myself from time to time about 'spells' being considered 'attacks', when using the official game terms. Used to people using the two terms independent of each other, and using 'attack' in place of 'strike' just as a general term, like 'melee attack'. That's certainly an interesting way to cuddle Pandora. Come to think of it, I had thought this wasn't possible anyways, in terms of casting an attack spell on oneself. I had thought because Pandora's spell didn't specify an enemy, that it didn't matter. Ah well, at least it's clear now. Although, can still have her Totem cast Dementia on Pandora, which is I think how the locals in my group have been doing it anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nilus Posted March 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Ahh...I got it now. I'm still having to remind myself from time to time about 'spells' being considered 'attacks', when using the official game terms. Not all Spells are attacks. They need to have the melee or Ranged icon, or have a resist duel I believe. Also if the spells description says you can target yourself you can still do it. But yeah it does take a few strategies away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tadaka Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Not all Spells are attacks. They need to have the melee or Ranged icon, or have a resist duel I believe. Also if the spells description says you can target yourself you can still do it. But yeah it does take a few strategies away. Missing a big one there nil any spell with a resist is an attack per the big bear the list below. Attacks can come from multiple sources: • Attacks with the icon are melee attacks, while attacks with the icon are ranged attacks. • Spells with a :melee/:ranged icon in their Rg. • Spells that require a Resist Duel (see Magic, p.51). • Strikes with melee/ranged Weapons (see Combat, p.39). • Actions that inflict Dg or Wd on another model, or require an Opposed Duel. Each of these is considered an attack, and their initiator the attacker. The defender of an attack is either the direct target when a target is required, or any models potentially affected by the attack. A model cannot attack itself unless the attack's description states that it affects friendly models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sliver Chocobo Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Missing a big one there nil any spell with a resist is an attack per the big bear the list below. Attacks can come from multiple sources: • Attacks with the icon are melee attacks, while attacks with the icon are ranged attacks. • Spells with a :melee/:ranged icon in their Rg. • Spells that require a Resist Duel (see Magic, p.51). • Strikes with melee/ranged Weapons (see Combat, p.39). • Actions that inflict Dg or Wd on another model, or require an Opposed Duel. Each of these is considered an attack, and their initiator the attacker. The defender of an attack is either the direct target when a target is required, or any models potentially affected by the attack. A model cannot attack itself unless the attack's description states that it affects friendly models. Can Tina reflect a spell from a silentone at herself then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tadaka Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 Unless the card says differently then the book I would not see why this would be ok. Tina used to say that the ice mirror target would count as the caster but they removed that. Now you just draw range and LOS from the model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buhallin Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 I noticed they clarified 'within' as being exactly at the distance. Nice to have that one official. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sholto Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 I noticed they clarified 'within' as being exactly at the distance. Nice to have that one official. Good! You know, like Godwinning, there should be a word for introducing quantum mechanics into internet discussions of distance in miniatures games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WUWU Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 Did they clarify which actions require line of sight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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