aedh11 Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Is there a rule as to what miniatures, or parts of miniatures, you're allowed to use? I know PP Say that 60% of the model your representing has to come from the PP miniature for that model, and I was wondering whether Wyrd have a similar policy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratty Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Is there a rule as to what miniatures, or parts of miniatures, you're allowed to use? I know PP Say that 60% of the model your representing has to come from the PP miniature for that model, and I was wondering whether Wyrd have a similar policy? I believe that it is entirely down to the individual tournament organisers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headcase2 Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 The official tournament documents are still in the works. For now it's indeed up to the TO, later on there will most likely be some limitations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratty Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 I hope they will be fairly lenient. There are a couple of models I have in my crews because I prefer them to the Wyrd versions. But I wouldn't want to see entirely proxied crews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoboStele Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 For our local group, we have a general policy that people are allowed to use Proxies as long as the official model hasn't been released. And if the official model IS released, we still usually give people a couple of weeks or so in order to afford to buy the official model and get it assembled and stuff. As for full on conversions though, I would take a page from other tournament rules for other games. As long as you can produce the original model and official stat card upon request, that it wouldn't bother me if you wanted to play with a converted piece, so long as it followed all the necessary rules for the piece, like being the right base size. The only other important thing, IMO, is that the converted piece is easily distinguishable from the rest of the crew, and obvious for the model you're intending it to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G. Footman Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 aside from the fact, to me, proxying is when you use a penny to represent a model, I'm good with conversions, it's half of what I like about miniatures, conversions. I've generally played with conversions allowed, since my rotten belle, 1 canine remain, are conversions, plus I'm sculpting a flesh construct for a contest at my local store. my brother's got Ramos, is scratchbuilding his own brass arachnid and electric entity, because he prefer's to scratchbuild than he doe the wyrd models. Long as the opponent knows what the mini is supposed to be, I'm good, but I don't do alot of tournements anyway. and can understand if wyrd's official stance with any tournaments they may do, is to limit how much of the mini is not wyrd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 Personally, as long as I can tell, at a glance, what a model is supposed to be, I have no issues. Now, conversions that fall into the realm of "counts-as," I will have more trouble with--if I can't tell, at a glance, exactly what a model is supposed to be, then I would say it's inappropriate to use. So, for example, using Bette Noir as Molly or a headless Gnoblar as the Necrotic Machine wouldn't be a great idea (and yes, I've played against that on several occasions). Ultimately, I think you'll find it extremely rare for a player to be penalized for using a non-standard model. Most tournaments are held in the desire to get a bunch of players together and have fun, and kicking people out makes that a lot less easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manicmac Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 Proxies and Conversions are two different things. We allow Proxies for the generally accepted reasons listed. We do not allow, chess pieces or figures from other games and the like. Conversions are welcomed as long as they are just that, a Wyrd piece that is converted. Arms or leg positions are the easiest and first timers start with these. We had a player that converted a right handed figure to a left handed figure. As far as sculpting or scratching your own, If it looks like a Malifaux piece and can be used with a card, we would seriously consider allowing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 I have seen, albeit rarely where a tournament will say X% (usually 70-80) of models must be <Insert company> product. I tend to like this rule as if I don't like a particular model or it doesn't fit in with the theme I'm going for I can use a different one. This is the case with my Freikorps, I don't like having multiples of the same model in skirmish games so I used a GW sniper for my 2nd trapper. Also the Convict gunslinger doesn't really fit in with the slim, lean look of the freikorps so I plan on converting a reaper mini with a pig iron head & Malifaux guns to look like an Omar from DE:2. However until official rules are released it is up to the TO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy in Suit Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 I allow conversions and other manufacturers models at all my tournaments - just have to keep it classy. Wyrd has always been very open with these forums and as a company in general. I'd be dissapointed if they try to be draconian like GW and PP when it comes to letting hobbyists do what most piques their interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the imp Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 We're just getting Malifaux started in KFalls. If we get up to the organized play stage, I'm inclined to say that counts-as is fine as long as the model is fully painted and readily identifiable as the intended piece. An official situation might require a conversion rule that specifies Wyrd only or Wyrd majority figures, but we're out in the boondocks and that's probably never going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Alleycat Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 Another idea,and one I plan on doing is using the modified model that I have for the CGS,but bringing the original just in case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genetic Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 Alleycat, having seen your model.. I would say its a proxy not a conversion. a nice proxy dont get me wrong. if i where to run a event you would have to use the original CGS and not the proxy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simulated.Soul Posted March 16, 2011 Report Share Posted March 16, 2011 Alleycat, having seen your model.. I would say its a proxy not a conversion. a nice proxy dont get me wrong. if i where to run a event you would have to use the original CGS and not the proxy. hmm,having not seen the model referenced above, i can't comment either way....however, if you use an alp as an alp, but your alp has been heavily sculpted over with green stuff, it would be a conversion, not a proxy yes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoboStele Posted March 16, 2011 Report Share Posted March 16, 2011 Anytime you're using the original model, it's a conversion. A Proxy is when you use something completely different, like from an entirely different manufacturer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Alleycat Posted March 16, 2011 Report Share Posted March 16, 2011 True,I think when i did that post I was half asleep lol. Yes if you greenstuff over it,you shouldn't have a problem. And Genetic,If you run a event and make me use the original CGS,I will instead play a dreamer crew and use my 80's metal album cover Lord Chompy bits. Purely to mess with you *grins* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sliver Chocobo Posted March 16, 2011 Report Share Posted March 16, 2011 I believe the best connevertion of non unique models that you can still see what they were before I have connverated my mature Nepilim with GW Griffin wings and another d to duel weld Lamposts Both still look like the orginals, but slightly different Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talishko Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 (edited) I don't really like to go strict on these things. As someone mentioned the main thing is to see what the model is suupposed to be at first glance. I use freebooter's siser of mercy as a nurse, because I prefer that to the original sculpts. Also heresy's frankenstein as flesh construct (converted to have meat-hook) for the same reason. No one ever complained because they look like what they represent. If a tournament organiser tells me I can't use them I just won't go. For me the game is about having fun and if I am forced to play with models I dislike that's no fun. On the other hand I don't like to play against 'tokens' representing models. Or say an alp representing a daydream. Same size, still 100% wyrd but confusing. I think there are two main things that can help you decide: common sense and your opponent's view of the game. If some one said He hates playing against proxies I'd say play someone else, otherwise one of us will end up being upset about what is meant to be fun. Edited March 17, 2011 by Talishko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simulated.Soul Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 On the other hand I don't like to play against 'tokens' representing models. Or say an alp representing a daydream. Same size, still 100% wyrd but confusing. Yeah, i think that would irritate me...it just seems lazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Alleycat Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 Yeah..when Genetic runs something locally,I may just go around and ask opponents if they mind me using it,I will have the original model ready to present and replace if needed but would much rather use the Taranto. Though I do think part of why Genetic says I should use the original is because I haven't finished his base so I still have the original square base on him,and that will be changed in the next couple days lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratty Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 (edited) I think it should be fine as long as your doing it for the right reasons. Of you think the model is nice, don't want duplicates or are testing out a model your tempted to buy I have no issues. If your using a goblin to represent a Seisin because you can't be bothered to get a model or paint one then it's more of an issue. If I ever do hamelin, I'm not going to repeat the same rat model 5 times to get my 15 or so rats I'll need. similarly with my seishin I didn't want to repeat the same model 3 times so I scratch built 2 out of paperclips and greenstuff. Edited March 17, 2011 by Ratty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Alleycat Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 Well,its a combo of I love the way the Doc Taranto model looks,and..I really hate the look of the wyrd convict gunslinger. Its a well put together model,I just dont care for it aesthetically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolution Black Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 Those are mighty fine Seishin Ratty! I have neither the ability or patience to convert or scratch build extra models so I have no problem having duplicates, i just tend to vary the paint jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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