Nirvanawn Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 The question is: Which are the three strongest masters for competitive play, not your favorite. Also if you can add a blurb why that would be helpful. I believe it goes: 1. Pandora 2. Leveticus 3. Ophelia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iamwyrd Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 1) Lilith.....fast, df8 and transposition is one very good spell. 2) Perdita...fast, df8, and she has a gun. 3) Leveticus....if played right, he never dies, half plus one wd spell(stupid good) oh And he can never die. (Essentially) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nilus Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 Gonna play Devils advocate. With the way Malifaux is generally played its hard to say what one master is good for Competitive play. So many Strategies and Schemes require different aspects that many master excel at some portion but not at others. Also add in the fact that most tourneys are run with a pick a faction but draft each round means its really more a of question of which Faction has the best tools(and IMHO they are all about even right now) But top 3 masters if I had to choose at gun point 1) Perdita. High Defense, Ranged combat, Fast, Companion, Obey(to give your own models extra abilities). Good Defense trigger vs range. Ability to exchange cards. Very forgiving learning curve. Definitely top tier any way you slice. Ophelia arguable has many of the same traits which puts her pretty even as well(except Ophelia's crews tend to be a lot squishier then the Ortegas) 2) Zoriada. Fear the old lady when shes played right. Access to a large number of models across many factions. Ability to poison and cast spells while hidden. Lots of maneuverability. 3) I'd probably agree with Levi, but to be different I will say the Vikis. Cheap access to Ronin(and mercs in general, including the student of conflict and Friekcorp). Crazy sling shot shenanigans. If there strategy relies on killing the other guy(and doing it fast) then they are the team to beat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopelessHeretic Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 In no particular order. Levi: difficult to kill, very strong spells, large access to models, and a fairly easy unique scheme. Kirai: Insane movement shenanigans, almost every master struggles against her (not cridd or raspy), and her unique scheme is fairly easy. Collette: Insane movement shenanigans, very good at completing objectives (except slaughter), can regularly complete power ritual for 3 points. -Heretic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nirvanawn Posted December 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 So the current total is: 4 Levi 2 Perdita 1 Ophelia 1 Pandora 1 Zoriada 1 Lilith 1 Kirai 1 Colette I know the masters are situational. The question is based on competitive play. Say I have the ability to play one master in a tournament. I am interested in the strongest one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iamwyrd Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 Its hard to say, It would also depend on the total of soulstones. At a low total I would say Perdita At medium to high games I would say Lilith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yames Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 levi for sure not only does he not die he also has a vass array of models he can choose from perdita for the reason listed by others for 3rd slot i think its a toss up between kirai and pandora but since i seen more kirai games (cuz i use her) im going with kirai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tadaka Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 1. Perdita 2. Levi (Per his version 3 I think perdita edges him out but close for top 2) 3. Kirai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isoulle Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 I'm going with Perdita, Leveticus and Lilith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nirvanawn Posted December 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 7 Levi 5 Perdita 3 Kirai 2 Pandora 2 Lilith 1 Colette 1 Ophelia 1 Zoriada Levi and Perdita start of well. The race for third is close. Keep it coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorenz Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 1 collette 2 perdita 3 lilith or lady J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huntroll Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 1. Lilith - Insane defense, speed, decent Wp, good offense and a ton of board control.... All of this in the faction with the most brutal units. 2. Perdita - Almost the same as Lilith, except less board control and flexibility. But she is Immune to Influence... 3. I don't know, there are no other masters with such obviuos strength... I'd say the Dreamer, but he is less forgiving than the two mentioned above.. 3 lilith or lady J Lady J? Why? In my opinion she is one of the weaker masters... Even vs. the Ressers, Sonnia is a better choice (most Ressers damage with spells and have high Ca, so she takes care of them, she has AoE damage vs. swarms, can shut down their lures, etc.), and against the other factions Lady J has almost nothing but her insane melee damage, and she is easy to take down with her lack of defensive abilities and dependance on melee. Also, the Guild has no means to deliver her to melee other than putting her in a coffin and releasing her near the enemy, which is nothing compared to the Neverborn or Viktoria Alpha Strikes or the Resser's Lure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koali Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 Pandora -> Insane Playing Style... no fun... for opponents... Perdita... -> There was much said ... Levi -> Unkillable and a few nasty tricks ahead... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProdigalPunk Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 Pandora-> A lot of random synergy, and has insane lists that I terrify me Perdita->Just a solid mast, solid damage output Collette-> Super hard to kill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oozeboss Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 Levi -> Unkillable and a few nasty tricks ahead... Funnily enough, the one time I got to watch a game of Levi (vs Gremlins) he got terminated in Turn 2. Finished, kaput & deader than a maggot in a Mortein factory. His crew lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiny Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 Lets be honest here. I was on fire that game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumb Luck Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 Peredita has to be in the top spot. I had a turn one victory with her vs Levi last week. Aplha strike everything, Obey on PaPa from Abuela/Peredita and boom - takes whole warband off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oozeboss Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 Lets be honest here. I was on fire that game. Nah. It couldn't be that. I took it as proof that Teeth is just plain hard. :marshmell:marshmell:marshmell:marshmell:marshmell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tenabrae Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 Peredita has to be in the top spot. I had a turn one victory with her vs Levi last week. Aplha strike everything, Obey on PaPa from Abuela/Peredita and boom - takes whole warband off. That doesn't make perdita awesome, it means either your opponent let himself die, or your build was good against levi... any nino/austringer combo is hell for levi. IMO pandora is the best, I still think she's unbalanced... A couple of builds can take her relatively well but in general in a tournament sense where you're unlikely to meet a perfect anti-pandy build she's as solid as they come. Lillith is definitely up there, her box set + cherub + young neph is super solid even in the post-rising powers game. I'd put perdita up there if we're talking single master, her abilities are fantastic, add enslaved neph and you can do some silly things with obey and nino/executioner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratty Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 I don't think you can really put Levi up there. Yes he is hard to kill and can burn someones face off as soon as look at them, but he either does well or dies horribly. Against fast moving armies that can target the waifs he has issues. Whereas Pandora works against any master. Same with Perdita. I don't know if there is a third master I would include. Kirai is very fast, but also very brittle. Lilith can be dealt with etc. I haven't played against Lady J or with my big Z yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mythicFOX Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 My list... PandoraKiraiLilith / PerditaWhat I'd actually say is more relevant is the idea of tiering masters. I know there was a thread on this in the past. The problem is most players broadly agree which masters are at the top end of the power spectrum, if not what specific order they're in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgraz Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 I understand the concept, but I don't understand how this thread is really worthwhile. Since the game is played with Masters and a crew, crew choice is the variable that really matters. Most people agree that Perdita is in the top 3, but if I take her without any of the Ortegas her power level drops. If I take Pandora with Nephilim and no Sorrows, she becomes useless - what if I add one Mature Nephilim for hitting power or the Hooded Rider? At the expense of spending those stones on more Woes - does she become more or less powerful? Since I'll never put a Master down by herself to play a game...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratty Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 I understand the concept, but I don't understand how this thread is really worthwhile. Since the game is played with Masters and a crew, crew choice is the variable that really matters. Most people agree that Perdita is in the top 3, but if I take her without any of the Ortegas her power level drops. If I take Pandora with Nephilim and no Sorrows, she becomes useless - what if I add one Mature Nephilim for hitting power or the Hooded Rider? At the expense of spending those stones on more Woes - does she become more or less powerful? Since I'll never put a Master down by herself to play a game...... Saying that Pandora's one of the few masters I've seen go on a rampage and win a game on her own without her crew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nirvanawn Posted December 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 Wow way to serious. This was suppose to be a fun post. I was just throwing around ideas to see what people thought. 12 Perdita 8 Levi 7 Pandora 7 Lilith 5 Kirai 3 Colette 1 Ophelia 1 Zoriada 1 Dreamer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Green Git Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 My own personal list: 1. Lillith 2. Karai 3. Perdita Granted, this is highly subjective. I've seen good players win big with Ramos and The Dreamer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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