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Scorching Radiance and damage source.


Rex4r

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Kaeris Reborn has some Burning Condition.
In the End Phase she suffer damage from the Burning Condition.
Kaeris use Scorching Radiance Ability to transfer damage to Model A.

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Scorching Radiance: When this model would suffer damage from Burning during the End Phase, it may have another model within 3 :aura suffer that damage instead, then reduce this model's Burning Condition by an equal amount.

1. Is the source of this damage count Kaeris or Burning?

2. Can the damage taken by Model A be reduced by abilities that reduce burning damage (such as fireproof)?

3. If the Model A is killed by this damage, who is it treated as killed by?
Kaeris because she transfer the damage from herself to Model A?
No one because damage was from Burning Condition?

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On 4/14/2024 at 12:41 PM, Rex4r said:

1. Is the source of this damage count Kaeris or Burning?

2. Can the damage taken by Model A be reduced by abilities that reduce burning damage (such as fireproof)?

3. If the Model A is killed by this damage, who is it treated as killed by?
Kaeris because she transfer the damage from herself to Model A?
No one because damage was from Burning Condition?

1 I think that the source of the damage is KAeris, but it is still damage from burning. 

2 Based on my answer to 1, yes it is still burning damage. 

3 Kaeris

 

 

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Kaeris is NOT the source of the damage, she just transfers it to someone else. Just like when using Misdirection resistence trigger. Switches one model to another for the condition to inflict damage.
So it is still the Burning condition, and that means you can treat it for this instance that it's on the chosen model and not Kaeris. You can reduce it with Armor, Shielded, Soulstones, or you can even negate it with Flameborne and such. The funniest part is that you can still inflict dmg from this Burning conditon to models with Numbskull. Those models cannot gain conditions, but are not immune to dmg from them.

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On 5/9/2024 at 7:26 AM, King of Draconis said:

Kaeris is NOT the source of the damage, she just transfers it to someone else. Just like when using Misdirection resistence trigger. Switches one model to another for the condition to inflict damage.

Kaeris's ability is responsible for the damage being suffered.  Cf. attribution of kills:

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Killed models are always considered to be killed by the model that generated the Action or Ability that killed them (as well as by that model’s Crew). If a model is killed by another effect (such as a Condition or Hazardous Terrain), it is not considered to have been killed by any player, model, or Crew.

(That last sentence really should say "If a model is killed by another effect (such as resolution of the effects of a Condition or Hazardous Terrain), ..." 

On 5/9/2024 at 7:26 AM, King of Draconis said:

So it is still the Burning condition, and that means you can treat it for this instance that it's on the chosen model and not Kaeris. You can reduce it with Armor, Shielded, Soulstones, or you can even negate it with Flameborne and such. The funniest part is that you can still inflict dmg from this Burning conditon to models with Numbskull. Those models cannot gain conditions, but are not immune to dmg from them.

 

It's still damage caused by the Burning Condition (for any effect which deals with damage by that condition), yeah.  But, unlike most damage caused by Burning, it was caused by Kaeris.  Just like Sonia Criid's Scorch the Soul action causes Burning Damage (which a model with Flameborne will reduce to 0) and if that damage kills the model, Sonia is responsible for it.

Remember that there's no chain of responsibility when figuring out what caused something--If Model A causes Model B to damage Model C, Model B caused the damage, not Model A.  

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