Many Questions in Relation to Seeker Models: Timing, Perspective, Ignoring Models, & More

[Whut]

A few handfuls of questions:

• 1 - Does Lamplighter's Shimmering Lights apply after the move portion of the Charge action, before it generates the Melee action? (Thus, immediately applying to the melee action)
  • "Shimmering Lights: Enemy models that end a move wthin (A)2 of this model gain Distracted +1 after resolving the current action or ability"
• 2 - Does Lamplighter's Unnatural Glow consider the "Terrain Marker" from the perspective of the Lamplighter or the Target? Essentially, when targeting a Moorwraith, can the Moorwraith Heal 1/2/3 because from the perspective of the Lamplighter it is within 2" of itself, which the Lamplighter can treat as a Terrain Marker.
  • Unnatural Glow: [...] Then, this model may have the target Heal 1 or 1/2/3 if it is within (A)2 of a Terrain Marker.
  • Rolling Stones: Other friendly Seeker models may treat this model as a Severe Impassable Terrain Marker, which cannot be removed [...]
• 3 - Does a friendly model within 2" of two Lit Lamp Markers get ++ to a duel once per activation? (Don't think so, but...) Can it get + to a duel twice per activation, as this would be making use of two auras with the same name but at two separate times?
• 4 - When a Bellhop Porter "I Found Another" a Lit Lamp Marker, does that marker also give + flips to friendly models for the rest of the game? Or is the "+ flip for rest of the game" effect created by the Light the Way action and thus tied only to the marker targeted? The action technically does not specify that the effect is a passive ability of all Lit Lamp Markers.
• 5 - When a model heals, can multiple Moorwraiths push towards it, as their Chronicle ability affects themselves and not the healed model?
• 6 - What happens when Grave Goo's Accidental Roll Over trigger cannot clear a model's base? The trigger doesn't permit you to move "up to" 5 inches, so is this move just illegal and you cannot move in that direction, or would you stop in base contact with the model? If you were to stop in base contact with a model, does this count as "moving through" the model for purposes of dealing the damage?
  • ARO: Push this model 5" in any direction, ignoring any models. Models that this model moved through...
• 7 - What is the timing of Chronicle effects? Do they apply immediately after the model Heals, or after resolving the action that healed it? This could be especially important for timing Tannenbaum and Austera's deck manipulations.
  • Chronicle(something): After another model within (A)6 Heals, [...]
  • For example: Enemy Nurse uses Bottle of Painkillers to heal McMourning with the Pulled Here and There Trigger. Can a Surveyor Chronicle to create a Geode next to McMourning such that he cannot push 3" in that direction when the Trigger is resolved?

[Rufess]

7 hours ago, Whut said:

1 - Does Lamplighter's Shimmering Lights apply after the move portion of the Charge action, before it generates the Melee action? (Thus, immediately applying to the melee action)

• "Shimmering Lights: Enemy models that end a move wthin (A)2 of this model gain Distracted +1 after resolving the current action or ability"

 

Attack action generated by Charge action happens after the Charge action has been resolved. Hence the charging model gains Distracted after pushing from the Charge action, while before taking the Attack action.

7 hours ago, Whut said:

2 - Does Lamplighter's Unnatural Glow consider the "Terrain Marker" from the perspective of the Lamplighter or the Target? Essentially, when targeting a Moorwraith, can the Moorwraith Heal 1/2/3 because from the perspective of the Lamplighter it is within 2" of itself, which the Lamplighter can treat as a Terrain Marker.

• Unnatural Glow: [...] Then, this model may have the target Heal 1 or 1/2/3 if it is within (A)2 of a Terrain Marker.
• Rolling Stones: Other friendly Seeker models may treat this model as a Severe Impassable Terrain Marker, which cannot be removed [...]

 

The Terrain Marker without a doubt is determine from the perspective of Lamplighter. If the Lamplighter uses Unnatural Glow to push opponent's Anya to2" of her scheme marker, Anya is healed 1/2/3 rather than 1.

The arguing point is that if Moorwraith is considered within 2" of its Terrain Marker self from the perspective of Lamplighter. I do not have any rule reference to this, but my intuition is yes, Lamplight can heal Moorwraith 1/2/3.

7 hours ago, Whut said:

3 - Does a friendly model within 2" of two Lit Lamp Markers get ++ to a duel once per activation? (Don't think so, but...) Can it get + to a duel twice per activation, as this would be making use of two auras with the same name but at two separate times?

Light the Way states "...the Lit Marker..." rather than a Marker nor one or more Marker, so imo a model can receive multiple benefit if it is within range of multiple Lit Lamp Marker. The effect, however, is an aura, so the model can get  twice per activation, but no  in a single duel.

7 hours ago, Whut said:

4 - When a Bellhop Porter "I Found Another" a Lit Lamp Marker, does that marker also give + flips to friendly models for the rest of the game? Or is the "+ flip for rest of the game" effect created by the Light the Way action and thus tied only to the marker targeted? The action technically does not specify that the effect is a passive ability of all Lit Lamp Markers.

The  is from the Light the Way action. And the action, as mentioned above, does specified the target Lamp Marker. Hence the Lit Lamp Marker dropped by Bellhop Porter do not give out . The Lamplighter can target those with Burn the Midnight Oil action though.

7 hours ago, Whut said:

5 - When a model heals, can multiple Moorwraiths push towards it, as their Chronicle ability affects themselves and not the healed model?

Yes, similar to the Scamper ability.

7 hours ago, Whut said:

6 - What happens when Grave Goo's Accidental Roll Over trigger cannot clear a model's base? The trigger doesn't permit you to move "up to" 5 inches, so is this move just illegal and you cannot move in that direction, or would you stop in base contact with the model? If you were to stop in base contact with a model, does this count as "moving through" the model for purposes of dealing the damage?

• ARO: Push this model 5" in any direction, ignoring any models. Models that this model moved through...

 

There is another trigger named Rampage that as well push the model exactly 5". So Accidental Roll Over resolves similarly, push as fat as possible.

8 hours ago, Whut said:

7 - What is the timing of Chronicle effects? Do they apply immediately after the model Heals, or after resolving the action that healed it? This could be especially important for timing Tannenbaum and Austera's deck manipulations.

• Chronicle(something): After another model within (A)6 Heals, [...]
• For example: Enemy Nurse uses Bottle of Painkillers to heal McMourning with the Pulled Here and There Trigger. Can a Surveyor Chronicle to create a Geode next to McMourning such that he cannot push 3" in that direction when the Trigger is resolved?

 

Chronicle does not specify the timing like "after resolving the current action" so it does take effect right after a model heals. In your example, it is possible to do so. Chronicle is triggered and resolved at the time point when McMourning heals, which is when resolving the action and before resolve the trigger.

[Scoffer]

5 minutes ago, Whut said:

1 - Does Lamplighter's Shimmering Lights apply after the move portion of the Charge action, before it generates the Melee action? (Thus, immediately applying to the melee action)

Yes. Charge is resolved as soon as the move part is over

 

6 minutes ago, Whut said:

2 - Does Lamplighter's Unnatural Glow consider the "Terrain Marker" from the perspective of the Lamplighter or the Target? Essentially, when targeting a Moorwraith, can the Moorwraith Heal 1/2/3 because from the perspective of the Lamplighter it is within 2" of itself, which the Lamplighter can treat as a Terrain Marker.

No. "Treated as" effects fully replace initial state of subject with a new one (see faq 5.5). That's why Moorwraith can not be a model and a terrain marker at the same time.

12 minutes ago, Whut said:

5 - When a model heals, can multiple Moorwraiths push towards it, as their Chronicle ability affects themselves and not the healed model?

Yes. 

14 minutes ago, Whut said:

6 - What happens when Grave Goo's Accidental Roll Over trigger cannot clear a model's base? The trigger doesn't permit you to move "up to" 5 inches, so is this move just illegal and you cannot move in that direction, or would you stop in base contact with the model? If you were to stop in base contact with a model, does this count as "moving through" the model for purposes of dealing the damage?

Stop in base contact. It doesn't count as moving through.

[solkan]

28 minutes ago, Scoffer said:

No. "Treated as" effects fully replace initial state of subject with a new one (see faq 5.5). That's why Moorwraith can not be a model and a terrain marker at the same time.

This is a false conclusion reached from the FAQ.  For a relevant example, see the mindless zombies and their Walking Dead ability which talks about killing the model while it is being treated as a Corpse Marker.

 

[Maniacal_cackle]

Also see treating something as an enemy model (it is still friendly), or vice versa.

[SEV]

4 hours ago, solkan said:

This is a false conclusion reached from the FAQ.  For a relevant example, see the mindless zombies and their Walking Dead ability which talks about killing the model while it is being treated as a Corpse Marker.

 

So I'm confuse now, what is the answer to the OP question?