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1 hour ago, Math Mathonwy said:

We did lose a player from the gaming group who had only Lilith and was thoroughly disgusted but so it goes, I guess.

If it's your gaming group, why not just allow DMH in your official events (if any)? :Gupp:

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I just want to throw my 2 cents into the ring, I played neverborn in M2E.  I got into the game because of Jakob Lynch, and branched out to love Collodi, Lillith and Pandora.  I owned every single Neverborn model and had most of them painted.  I had stopped playing due to other reasons by the time M3E was announced, and seeing that 3/4 of my main-stay masters were gone or changed into a new faction I promptly listed them on eBay and resolved if I come back to the game I'd simply try something new.

 

Months later, time for release?  I just ordered my Brine & Bones pack, and some Resurrectionists stuff.  I'm excited to play the game again and I even have a brand new faction to collect, paint, and fall in love with.  

So may I suggest... instead of having a toddler sized breakdown, take the change as an opportunity and learn to love something new.

Edit: I want to make it clear to OP, i really do respect his decision to learn and adjust his outlook based on what people have discussed here.  The toddler sized breakdown comment is more for the guy who is quite obviously having a tantrum.

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9 hours ago, Paddywhack said:

It sure seemed like they had less chatter overall than other forums and faction masters, even the new ones. That is just my observation though and could be wrong. Proxying was expected during the beta due to all the new models, so i know the new masters did get some love. 

Proxying is naturally expected but it's still an additional hassle and there's quite a bit of hassle already in beta testing what with the rules and profiles constantly changing (and being foreign to begin with). I know our group never touched the new Masters in our testing. And there certainly were some less-played Gremlin Masters that were talked about very little, for example.

I tested Collodi in the beta a bit, for what its worth.

9 hours ago, LeperColony said:

If it's your gaming group, why not just allow DMH in your official events (if any)? :Gupp:

Sure. I tend to travel to tournaments quite a bit though including international travel. If I wanted to discuss this issue with my local gaming group, I wouldn't be doing it here :P 

9 hours ago, GrendelsPRGuy said:

I just want to throw my 2 cents into the ring, I played neverborn in M2E.  I got into the game because of Jakob Lynch, and branched out to love Collodi, Lillith and Pandora.  I owned every single Neverborn model and had most of them painted.  I had stopped playing due to other reasons by the time M3E was announced, and seeing that 3/4 of my main-stay masters were gone or changed into a new faction I promptly listed them on eBay and resolved if I come back to the game I'd simply try something new.

 

Months later, time for release?  I just ordered my Brine & Bones pack, and some Resurrectionists stuff.  I'm excited to play the game again and I even have a brand new faction to collect, paint, and fall in love with.  

So may I suggest... instead of having a toddler sized breakdown, take the change as an opportunity and learn to love something new.

Edit: I want to make it clear to OP, i really do respect his decision to learn and adjust his outlook based on what people have discussed here.  The toddler sized breakdown comment is more for the guy who is quite obviously having a tantrum.

Why be so mean? Even my toddler knows that if someone is indeed throwing a tantrum, being mean to them is not the correct response ;) 

Some people have differing approaches to their painted minis for example. Some spend a lot of time painting them and get attached to them. Some others sell freely their painted stuff. Just because you're happy with your minis getting invalidated and buying new ones doesn't mean that everyone is the same. People have differing points of emphasis in this hobby of ours.

 

On a different note, I really, really enjoyed Collodi's theme and loved the models. I think that the puppets were some of the most iconic Wyrd minis and they were superb quality-wise. Now, I realize that you can play a Puppet crew without Collodi but Henchman crews aren't quite up to par, IME. I think losing Collodi was a real shame - Nico, Ramos, and Lilith still have their themes well-represented by other Masters, I feel, but Collodi not so much.

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17 hours ago, Math Mathonwy said:

On a different note, I really, really enjoyed Collodi's theme and loved the models. I think that the puppets were some of the most iconic Wyrd minis and they were superb quality-wise. Now, I realize that you can play a Puppet crew without Collodi but Henchman crews aren't quite up to par, IME. I think losing Collodi was a real shame - Nico, Ramos, and Lilith still have their themes well-represented by other Masters, I feel, but Collodi not so much.

I'm ignoring the rest of your statement because it's getting obnoxious. And I'm going to address this. Hinamatsu is probably one of the /best/ choices to have as a henchman leader, full stop. Qi and Gong gives access to leverage and a lot of lure, as well as some pretty effective anti-schemers, and puppet is a huge keyword that gives access to all of the effigies. And Hinamatsu with 3 actions? Move 6 with a +2 on your charge. In melee Hina gets 4 melee attack actions with a 2/3/4 damage track and with the right luck (or cards in hand) You can literally double your attack action. Armor +2 is nothing to scoff at either. So you're actively incorrect about the henchman leader, which means you have plenty. Sure, it's not puppetmastery, but.... It's better than par.

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