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Just got an email back (tried customer service as well to either get an answer for a friend or know their stance) - - they were able to email instructions....all points remain valid - this stuff should be out and on the site before they sell. JT

Well, I've found a solution that Wyrd isn't going to like, but once I took Thoon out and tried to do the puzzle, I realized I could build six non-Wyrd models that have stacked up on my shelves in the time it would take me to fiddle around and figure out the puzzle of this model... I have the game stats for the model, so I got my FLGS to agree to process a return, and I'm going to just proxy these models since my games are all casual anyway. That's going to be my process from here on out, and the store said that's fine because they're frankly disgusted by the way Wyrd does this, and they even LEFT Wyrd for a while ("disgusted" was THEIR word). From now on if I want a model, I'll buy it, and if there are no instructions and the model isn't 100% intuitive, it's going back. At some point I'll get sick of this and just start downloading stats and finding cool models from other companies. If I sound mad it's because I am...this can't be excused by "we are a small company" - you make a thing that's intended to be put together, and you've completely abrogated your responsibility to your customers to actually provide them with build instructions....it's simultaneously frustrating and laughable. EDIT: I forgot to mention - - the video was good for Euripides, but then I looked at Thoon.

Yeah, I've tried not to be offended by the ridiculous card....it's not that far from the old Richard Pryor movie where he sends a letter and at the end writes "P.S.: I would have sent money but I already sealed up the envelope" Of course the specific QR idea only works if they actually bother to create instructions before launching the model.

Likely oversimplifying, but it seems like the build instructions arise naturally from the initial design....somewhere somebody likely has a digital model showing how it fits together, even if the branded graphics aren't there. I was able to find a video of it, thankfully...but my point remains--please don't release things without docs....or at least pop up a hacked together video showing how bits should go together.

Am I alone in this opinion? We are paying between 35 and 50 USD for sets of models...I personally would be willing to pay an extra dollar if Wyrd would actually include instructions with their models. Just got home with the Euripides box, and it appears that once again there are no instructions available at launch...unless using the search term "euripides" or "Euripides" is the problem..... Regardless of any gripes I might have (plenty!) about Games Workshop, in the last few years their models have become masterpieces of intuitive design - the pieces just fit - - and yet even so they still provide instructions with every model. I am indeed willing to pay for it...or could I at least suggest that models aren't released until instructions are available online? These models might be absolutely simple to put together - I don't know..neither do I know if there are 'gotchas' where if I put something together in the wrong order I'll ruin the models. Am I missing something? Do I need to use different words to find the build instructions, or are they truly selling a model with no existing instructions?

Some blasphemy: I don't find the fiction to be all that good or interesting, and certainly not good enough to sacrifice or significantly shift gameplay based solely on it. Wyrd is a game company..I buy regular old books for my fiction. SO...If a model is overpowered or broken, do the game design thing and fix it. Don't create some fictional reason to eliminate it, causing loyal customers to lose their investment in your product. NO models should be removed.

It's attractive, but after convincing my wife I needed two different 3d printers, it will be hard to justify buying ANYTHING made of plastic. Inspiring designs, though

All of this is likely moot in terms of me not playing anymore. Unless I can find someone who wants to buy my entire collection of hundreds of assembled but unpainted Malifaux models, I'm going to have them to play...so unless somebody wants a great deal on an instant Malifaux collection, the REAL question is whether I play 2e or 3e.

This for me in spades....I have been collecting since 1e.....I don't need the huge art, and frankly odds are high that my models may not even look like the newer art anymore. But my biggest card switch gripe is simply the amount of space they will now take up for NO advantage in use...even if the format is better that could be still done with the same form factor. Oh....this just in....Fate decks are switching size as well: http://bit.ly/2L6aeKS 😜

So....is Malifaux a game with a low cost of entry or not? As I sold my friends on this game, that was always the point...many of them are now older, married, kids, and way too many miniatures from GW ...NO interest in getting back into big collections. If only choosing one master and associated models is an option and you're in, then Malifaux has a real appeal. If choosing one master is going to open you up to DMH-ing, which almost CERTAINLY will result in less support for small incremental adds (new puppets), less ability to participate, then I can't tell people it's low cost of entry without a huge disclaimer.

My friends who play echo a lot of what folks are posting here. I personally might pick up a model or two for 2e continued play, but the rest of my group (who admittedly don't buy as insanely as I have) are basically locking down their collections until more is known. I have enough love for 2e that I think I'd be fine parting with Wyrd in terms of new stuff. The card size thing is not a huge killer, but it IS a factor, as I consider moving from my hard sleeves to a thousand or more of whatever the new size is. 2e has issues, but it's solid enough that my group can likely abandon tournaments and do what lots of players did with D&D...revert to old comfy rules.

that was ONE of my options: selling off. The OTHER OPTION I mentioned was sticking with 2e...I certainly have enough models for decades of endless fun, which is a positive, and sticking with 2e means that I can't use new releases...but I can use my OLD releases. In the end of course it's their call, but I find it a bit laughable that they're doing this to the game as if the fiction is more important. It's NOT about events...I guess I should have been more clear. It's about the near certainty that there will be areas of imbalance in the "dead" models that will almost certainly never be addressed...it is also about the company philosophy on display here...this is a goofy move. I get that they have to reinvent things and try to shake things up..it's just a silly approach. Peoplr who really embraced the low-entry cost skirmish philosophy now have to worry the 1 or 2 masters they had don't count anymore. People who went apesh*t are almost certainly finding chunks of their investment that will get no/inferior support. Pretty sure my three buddies and I will just stick with 2e...but if someone has a pile or cash lying around.

One more bit....am I misremembering, or wasn't there a bit in 1E or 2E that talked about Malifaux being so strange that two of the same Master could fight each other? Even if that is incorrect, the strangeness of Malifaux does make any fluff that bars models a bit artificial and silly.

Many are offended by the changes. My thoughts will likely offend many: I bought Malifaux, from metal and 1e to the present, as a GAME. I currently own hundreds of Malifaux minis, having nearly complete collections for most factions. On my third big Battle Foam case. I know I may be odd, but I almost never read the fluff, and while the ideas are interesting, it's not the most gripping story/writing. The idea that they're making huge changes and destroying value of existing purchases in service to this (IMO) mediocre fiction is just wrong. For me the decision unless something changes is between staying with 2e or selling all my stuff. The Dead Man's Hand stuff is totally flawed. There will be no effort to balance them, or keep them balanced against the "active" models...BUT...even if they did want to try to keep them balanced, eliminating them from most structured play means that even if they had good intents they'll never get the DATA needed to do it correctly. These models will become more and more imbalanced, until even organizers who allowed them will ban them, or they won't be worth playing.

Bummer...ill-timed sale for me then. My LGS is not super friendly, and has almost zero knowledge, so while I get that this policy helps the GOOD stores, I can only bring myself to pay local full retail at a local store if there is an actual difference in service level beyond an online giant...where the "F" from FLGS applies. Thanks for the info. My plan was to get Brinn and throw in some of the other fun stuff to hit the threshold. So nothing listed for March will be available in this sale? Black Friday it is!

I thought Brinn was coming out in March but can't find the model in the store...? Any other models coming in this week? I am going to Mexico tonight and it might be the difference between me jumping in to the Easter Sale or not. Thanks, JT

Just got a Battle Foam P.A.C.K 432, and the default trays are not going to work for most of my models for Malifaux. Does anyone know of: 1) The best trays for various models (30mm, 40mm, 50mm) 2) The typical 'bounding box' dimensions for most of the models ("most 30mm models are 30mm x 30mm x 36mm...") or some generally safe dimension ("90% of the 30mm base models will fit in a space that is X by Y by Z") I just want to avoid ordering new trays that STILL won't work, or having to go to 100% pluck foam. Thanks, JT

Thanks, all...this wouldn't be an issue I don't think if I hadn't gone crazy and bought around 300 Malifaux figures...because, y'know...it's a skirmish game (actually it's because I can never decide what I want). I was just dreading tracking a bunch, but I put all my data cards in those hard sleeves, so I can just print errata and stick it in front. Of course, a lot my stuff might have come out AFTER errata...yick.....(I bought a lot of arsenal packs as I had metals) Thanks again, JT

So I know there is a very limited amount of errata - for example in my campaign deck there was a new card for a couple of models. I play MAYBE once every few months, and in such a casual way that winning and losing are not really something we care too much about...however, we don't want a broken game, so here's my question: Is the errata typically created to counter an unexpected loophole/exploit/synergy? Sort of like "Oops...just realized this card plus these two and this upgrade lead to an instant win!!!" Or is the errata typically to fix a horrible problem that is not complex to detect or exploit? One that instantly breaks a game? Based on what I know about their playtesting I'd assume it's the first, and my group can continue to play with whatever version of the cards for the models they have.....is this true? I'd like to just be secure in knowing that some models may have an advantage, but nothing too horrible. Thanks, JT

Thanks SO much! Off to do all the recording...for a game focused on not requiring a lot of models...I sure bought a lot of models. JT

I will add my vote for a builder...but I would love it if - - unlike Crewfaux to my knowledge, it also has a general inventory/model checklist for all your models.

Was going to just edit my edit, but I'm not sure I understand how to change the URL...I am looking at a thread about a model tracker on THIS forum, and the link that is failing for me is a DROPBOX link, not something hosted by Wyrd. Was there ever a reason Wyrd didn't just host the tracker in their big site of resources?

If there's an easy way for you to share it I'd be very grateful. Last night I was tempted to just try to go through PMF entry by entry and build one....yick. EDIT: I will also try the changed URL you mentioned. JT

Ah thanks...that's part of the issue - - -I am unable to find any link for the MAIN (original) file in any thread that does not give me a 404 error. So I don't HAVE anything to update. JT

I wasn't sure - - does the list UPDATE list ALL models or just altered ones? I get that maybe Wyrd doesn't think many people will want something like this, or people won't want to collect large numbers of their models (you would think they'd HOPE this), but it seems weird that they don't at the very least just put out a text list of "here's everything we've ever made for Malifaux"