Justin Posted September 3, 2014 Report Share Posted September 3, 2014 Discuss! http://wyrd-games.net/community/files/file/21-malifaux-2e-faq-errata/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 DeleteAccount Posted September 3, 2014 Report Share Posted September 3, 2014 Yes. If the new ruling is that the suit from the RJ is that it "counts as printed on the card for all intents and purposes", then that would make it go away due to Nether Fluctuation. Hence the need to rephrase it if it's not supposed to work like that. But Nether Fluctuation only affects the suits printed on the stats, it has no effect whatsoever on the suit in the card itself. It may remove the crow from my Ml action to activate Infect, but it does not stop an 11 of crows, or in this case, a red joker deciding to be a crow to add the suit and let me trigger Infect. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Lupercal Posted September 3, 2014 Report Share Posted September 3, 2014 Hooray for an official Red Joker ruling! I will summon all the Teddies(well I already was but still). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Ausplosions Posted September 3, 2014 Report Share Posted September 3, 2014 Yeah. Nix got a buff. Red joker goes to just moderate, not moderate + weak. Cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Uktena Posted September 3, 2014 Report Share Posted September 3, 2014 I love the RJ ruling for Nix. Kinda figured the RJ would count as the suit it was pulled for, but if it helps clear up gray for some people then good times. So sad that there even needed to be an entry on the "X inches counts as within X inches", but if one sentence prevents arguing - then I guess it's better for the cosmos as a whole. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 The Godlyness Posted September 3, 2014 Report Share Posted September 3, 2014 BOOray for the red joker ruling. well half of it. the nix part made me sad but i got over it. Smiles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 mythicFOX Posted September 3, 2014 Report Share Posted September 3, 2014 Clean and clear, great FAQ update. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Csonti Posted September 3, 2014 Report Share Posted September 3, 2014 So sad that there even needed to be an entry on the "X inches counts as within X inches", but if one sentence prevents arguing - then I guess it's better for the cosmos as a whole. Yeah, I was surprised too by that one. There are much murkier rules interactions that didn't make it to the FAQ. This needs only elementary school "science". 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Snakeshit Posted September 3, 2014 Report Share Posted September 3, 2014 I am glad I don't have to read Red Joker posts anymore. What a relief!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Seregon Posted September 3, 2014 Report Share Posted September 3, 2014 I may just have been playing it wrong, but does Nether Fluctuation always prevent any and all triggers from Ca, Ml and Sh action? I always played it as if only the printed suits were ignored. If it's supposed to be as I read it, then this FAQ effectively made Nether Fluctuation work with the RJ and may want to be adressed in the next FAQ. If it's always supposed to prevent all suits from any source, then nevermind and I've been playing it wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Lupercal Posted September 3, 2014 Report Share Posted September 3, 2014 I may just have been playing it wrong, but does Nether Fluctuation always prevent any and all triggers from Ca, Ml and Sh action? I always played it as if only the printed suits were ignored. If it's supposed to be as I read it, then this FAQ effectively made Nether Fluctuation work with the RJ and may want to be adressed in the next FAQ. If it's always supposed to prevent all suits from any source, then nevermind and I've been playing it wrong. No I am pretty sure it just strips the built in suits from your Ca, MI, and Sh stats. I don't see how that conflicts with the Red Joker ruling or changes the way you would play it though, maybe you can explain a bit more? If you are talking about where it says the suit counts as printed on the card for all intents and purposes, I am pretty sure it means the Red Joker card as that was a topic of debate in the threads about whether or not you can summon Teddy with Leave it to Luck. (Whether or not the joker counted as being a Mask or not when you chose Mask) Maybe I am just misunderstanding you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Seregon Posted September 3, 2014 Report Share Posted September 3, 2014 Yes. If the new ruling is that the suit from the RJ is that it "counts as printed on the card for all intents and purposes", then that would make it go away due to Nether Fluctuation. Hence the need to rephrase it if it's not supposed to work like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Lupercal Posted September 3, 2014 Report Share Posted September 3, 2014 But Nether Fluctuation only affects the suits printed on the stats, it has no effect whatsoever on the suit in the card itself. It may remove the crow from my Ml action to activate Infect, but it does not stop an 11 of crows, or in this case, a red joker deciding to be a crow to add the suit and let me trigger Infect. This is what I was saying, Nether Fluctuations removes the built in suits from your Ca, MI, and Sh stats. It doesnt remove the suit from the card you flipped off the top of your deck. The bit about the Red Joker suit counting as being on the card for all intents and purposes is really just wording that is there because Tannens "Leave it to Luck" specifically calls out a "mask card" and people were arguing over whether the Red Joker counted as a mask or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Seregon Posted September 3, 2014 Report Share Posted September 3, 2014 Nether Flux: Enemy models within 4 of this model ignore any suits associated with their Ca, Sh and Ml stats. Associated with is in my mind not necessarily the same thing as built-in. And even if it's supposed to be built-in, then the RJ is with this FAQ ruling just that, built-in. It's possibly a mistake yes, but right now RJ suits does not work when within the Flux aura. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Lupercal Posted September 3, 2014 Report Share Posted September 3, 2014 I cant comment on how associated is supposed to read but I really don't think you are reading the Red Joker erratta correctly. When it says the RJs suit is on the card, it is not referring to the character card, it is referring to the Red Joker card and saying that it counts as though the suit was literally printed on the RJ card if it isnt already. So while I don't know about a dispute over nether fluctuations, the way I am reading this erratta, as long as nether fluctuations IS only built in suits, the RJ is not affected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Ausplosions Posted September 3, 2014 Report Share Posted September 3, 2014 What? It's a suit on a card. Not one built in to any action. I really don't understand the issue here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Seregon Posted September 3, 2014 Report Share Posted September 3, 2014 Gotcha. That could easily have been solved with adding a "flipped" before the word card. I recon I'll still have to ask for the next FAQ that Nether Flux is properly explained, since "associated with" isn't all that clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 DocSchlock Posted September 3, 2014 Report Share Posted September 3, 2014 Nether Flux: Enemy models within 4 of this model ignore any suits associated with their Ca, Sh and Ml stats. The only suits associated with Ca, Sh, and Ml are the printed suits for those stats. All cards have suits printed on them, but those suits are associated with the card flipped, not the printed statistic. They are added to the Final Duel Total regardless of the statistic you use in the duel itself. Wouldn't Nether Flux be worded far, far differently if it was intended to remove card suits as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Mike3838 Posted September 3, 2014 Report Share Posted September 3, 2014 I've always assumed that "associated" with related only to the suit on the stat card that was built into the action. I'd not have realised it was ambiguous until you pointed it out. I checked the Counterspell ability that Rasputina has, though, and that says "lose all suits printed in the CA" which is clear. Neverhteless, the reason I suspect that it is only the printed suits that are lost, is that in your interpretation Seregon, Nether flux could be re-worded to say, "models within the aura cannot activate Ml, Sh, or Ca triggers". I think this would have the same effect, and would have been cleaner and more intuitive if that was the intended effect. Worth FAQing though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 PraetorDragoon Posted September 3, 2014 Report Share Posted September 3, 2014 Nix is hating the Red Joker more harshly than I thought. Don't know why the 3" thing was FAQ-worthy though, it helps a bit, I guess... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 solkan Posted September 3, 2014 Report Share Posted September 3, 2014 Nix is hating the Red Joker more harshly than I thought. Don't know why the 3" thing was FAQ-worthy though, it helps a bit, I guess... There's a locked discussion thread if you really really need to see an example of the "Is exactly three inches within three inches?" question.... Although the "Base contact is zero inches away" part of the answer may be the more important part of the answer, as far as geometry wars are concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 PraetorDragoon Posted September 3, 2014 Report Share Posted September 3, 2014 There's a locked discussion thread if you really really need to see an example of the "Is exactly three inches within three inches?" question.... Although the "Base contact is zero inches away" part of the answer may be the more important part of the answer, as far as geometry wars are concerned. No thanks, I like being sane. Base contact is 0" might be important in some cases indeed.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Al Shut Posted September 3, 2014 Report Share Posted September 3, 2014 Base contact is 0" might be important in some cases indeed.. As far as I can tell the push/within question is the only situation where it actually mattered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 admanb Posted September 3, 2014 Report Share Posted September 3, 2014 It's pretty good to establish that base contact is 0", since otherwise there's no such thing as LOS-blocking base contact and many other issues arise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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