attacks that ignore armour and blasts

[bertmac]

quite a simple one really if an attack that ignores armour drops blast markers do they ignore armour too?

[Snakeshit]

A Blast is damage from the attack that ignores armour I don't see why not.

[MasterDisaster]

Yeah, I'd agree with that. It's still part of the damage dealt by an attack that ignores armour. If I recall there aren't very many blast attacks that also have the Ignore Armour clause on them though so I doubt this will come up often. 

[The Godlyness]

Magical Burt. Shooting his pepper box. But I would say yes also to ignoring things.

[zFiend]

The source is the same so why not? Nasty but legit.

[Snakeshit]

The only time this would suck is against models that ignore blasts

[Soundwave]

It depends on the wording of the ability, generally.

Usually it says something like "the target" or "models damaged", which are two different things when it comes to blasties.

[The Godlyness]

Usually that's for applying conditions. But if the models attack actions ignore armor then the blasts which are generated would also.

[dgraz]

I thought I remembered reading a blurb in the book that covered this but I just spent the last 20 minutes looking for it and can't find it.

[Yngair]

Id agree with "soundwave", it would depend on the wording IMO

 

If it was "this models attack actions Ignore armour" or "damage caused by this attack Ignores armour" then i would say yes the blasts ignore armour.

 

But if it read " this models attack actions Ignore the targets armour" then I would say no as blasts do not target. only the initial target would have its armour ignored.

[The Godlyness]

Find me an instance where it says it ignores the targets armor. From what I can find attacks say. "This attack ignores armor."

[Snakeshit]

Well anyone have a good example of an attack that ignores armour and has blasts just want to read and see the wording for myself.  

[MasterDisaster]

Magical Burt. Shooting his pepper box. But I would say yes also to ignoring things.

 

The Godlyness provided one earlier in the thread.

 

Wong's Glowy does this 

 

Glowy: When this model is deployed,

choose another non-Peon model. The

chosen model gains the following Condition

for the rest of the game: "Magical: Damage

dealt by this model ignores Armor, Hard to

Kill, and Incorporeal."

 

Here's Burt's PepperBox 

 

(1) Backwater Pepperbox (Sh 5   / Rst: Df / Rg:  8): Target suffers 2/3  /5

damage.

 

It just sates any damage dealt by the chosen model ignores armour. As Blasts originate from Burt's attacks I would assume they also ignore armour. 

[Bengt]

Willie's Demo Charge. Relevant text say "Target suffers 2 / 3 / 4   damage. This Attack ignores Armor."

[The Godlyness]

The Godlyness provided one earlier in the thread.

 

Wong's Glowy does this 

 

Glowy: When this model is deployed,

choose another non-Peon model. The

chosen model gains the following Condition

for the rest of the game: "Magical: Damage

dealt by this model ignores Armor, Hard to

Kill, and Incorporeal."

 

Here's Burt's PepperBox 

 

(1) Backwater Pepperbox (Sh 5   / Rst: Df / Rg:  8): Target suffers 2/3  /5

damage.

 

It just sates any damage dealt by the chosen model ignores armour. As Blasts originate from Burt's attacks I would assume they also ignore armour.

...I am the one who said magical Burt.... so confused. I was referring to the post that said this Attack ignores the TArGETs armor. Not this Attack ignores armor. Which you both so diligently pointed out to me.

I can't find any attack the only specifies ignoring the targets armor just that they ignore armor in general.

So I say again I am in the firm camp that blasts from an attack that ignore armor also ignore armor.

[Bengt]

...I am the one who said magical Burt.... so confused. I was referring to the post that said this Attack ignores the TArGETs armor. Not this Attack ignores armor. Which you both so diligently pointed out to me.

I can't find any attack the only specifies ignoring the targets armor just that they ignore armor in general.

So I say again I am in the firm camp that blasts from an attack that ignore armor also ignore armor.

I agree with you. I replied to Stitched Madness' request for an example of a "regular" armour ignoring blast.

[Yngair]

I agree that a if the wording is said as  "this attack ignores armour" then as the blast is apart of that attack action it would also benefit from the ignores armour. Even if there is no precedent of an attack saying " this attack ignores the targets armour" or "  damage dealt to target ignores armour" there should not be a close all that all blasts confer ignore armour just because its mentioned in the attack. Simply that the wording would define which models being damaged are under the effect of the "ignore armour"

[Hateful Darkblack]

Yes. "This Attack ignores Armor" means that the Attack ignores Armor -- whether on the initial damage flip, or on other effects from the Attack like blasts.

[Falconrider]

Mc Mourning giving precise to models with blasts 

[Snakeshit]

Thanks for all the examples guys, I think its pretty safe to say that the blasts will ignore armour as they came from the attack that ignores the armour.